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MARCUSDJACKSON said:
Seece said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:

i was saying that they would if they had to. never said they made a loss. twisting my words. they did sell gamecube at a loss. well a $1 loss but it was a loss.

pay attention to the word would not what you want to read.

 

(Sony this gen Nintendo 2 or 3 gens before) i was referencing the fact that Nintendo lost the 5th and sixth gen's.

You're using Nintendo's past 2 gens as an example of something, and it's irrelevent and not needed, doesn't matter if they came 3rd, they made money.

Also, you're assuming they would bleed dry, Nintendo are a different company to Sony, I don't believe they would continue with a console losing bilions after it's first year (they'd never get in that state anyway)


it's irrelevant to you. doesn't matter whether you believe they would or not. look this is not a debate or arguing point. i'm simply stating Sony and Nintendo have a commitment to this industry and they would try everything to stay in.

you're shooting my comments down for no reason. you act as if i'm blasting a company i grew up on. i'm hurt and insulted by your accusation. 

i'm using Nintendo's last 2 gen's to show that they won't leave and they and Sony would spend every dime to stay in this industry. the reason i'm using Nintendo in the 5th and 6th gen's is relevant to this to show that with commitment you will over come and thats what Nintendo has done this gen. 

taking my words out of context is no way to debate or win a argument.

the same could be said for MS. why get in just to find a way out? can you see this thread is pointless?

P.S never say never.

Again, Nintendo's 5th and 6th gen are irrelevent, they made money.

I'm talking about this here sentance you made

"Sony and Nintendo on the other hand would bleed dry (Sony this gen Nintendo 2 or 3 gens before)to stay in this industry."

Nintendo made money both those gens, so there was no reason for them to leave. If they were bleeding money at the rate of Sony, then perhaps they would try a different approach. I'm not saying Nintendo would leave, I'm not saying you hate them or love them or w/e

I'm saying, you can't find any example from past efforts as to why Nintendo would leave, wheras Sony's example is a good one. That's all I'm saying, chill!



 

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LordMatrix said:
dahuman said:

No, though I'm done paying for Live, so I don't see myself using their consoles in the future, but I see no reason for them to stop.


Just because you don`t want to use Xbox Live anymore doesn`t mean your system is suddenly unusable you know. Just curious but is roughly $4 a month too much for you for superior online gaming(better matchmaking, more secure networking, more community related features, daily updates in the Inside Xbox channel, very well streamlined, deals of the week, week early demo access etc.)?  Thats like paying for one freshly made burger per month. If it is too much for you thats fine. Just don`t talk like not having Live like its the end of th world as far as Xbox goes. You can still enjoy a plethora of single player experiences or split screen multiplayer.


Yes, I get that for free on PC(which I can use to work and many other things because it's not a toy lol,) which has superior online gaming, better matchmaking, and more secure networking with a lot more community features since I actually can use a web browser, WOW! So it's too much, and there is nothing superior about XBL Gold whatsoever, not to mention there is nothing wrong with the stuff on PS3 and it's also free, and so is the Wii, I use consoles to play games, which is what they are meant to do, and see no reason to pay for that option to play online when other platforms offer the option for free.

Not having Live is also the end of the world for the 360, at least the last time I checked, since I finished all the JRPGs I wanted to play. I'm also long out of College, split screen doesn't happen too often these days once you get a real job and don't live in the city, and if I really wanted some company over to have fun, I'd use my Wii instead, would not be my imaginary 360, not my PS3 and definitely not my PC.

Also, cool, the reply color is orange! much better!

 

PS: yes, I did sell my 360 awhile ago, not a big deal, just stopped seeing the value in it.



Seece said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
Seece said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:

i was saying that they would if they had to. never said they made a loss. twisting my words. they did sell gamecube at a loss. well a $1 loss but it was a loss.

pay attention to the word would not what you want to read.

 

(Sony this gen Nintendo 2 or 3 gens before) i was referencing the fact that Nintendo lost the 5th and sixth gen's.

You're using Nintendo's past 2 gens as an example of something, and it's irrelevent and not needed, doesn't matter if they came 3rd, they made money.

Also, you're assuming they would bleed dry, Nintendo are a different company to Sony, I don't believe they would continue with a console losing bilions after it's first year (they'd never get in that state anyway)


it's irrelevant to you. doesn't matter whether you believe they would or not. look this is not a debate or arguing point. i'm simply stating Sony and Nintendo have a commitment to this industry and they would try everything to stay in.

you're shooting my comments down for no reason. you act as if i'm blasting a company i grew up on. i'm hurt and insulted by your accusation. 

i'm using Nintendo's last 2 gen's to show that they won't leave and they and Sony would spend every dime to stay in this industry. the reason i'm using Nintendo in the 5th and 6th gen's is relevant to this to show that with commitment you will over come and thats what Nintendo has done this gen. 

taking my words out of context is no way to debate or win a argument.

the same could be said for MS. why get in just to find a way out? can you see this thread is pointless?

P.S never say never.

Again, Nintendo's 5th and 6th gen are irrelevent, they made money.

I'm talking about this here sentance you made

"Sony and Nintendo on the other hand would bleed dry (Sony this gen Nintendo 2 or 3 gens before)to stay in this industry."

Nintendo made money both those gens, so there was no reason for them to leave. If they were bleeding money at the rate of Sony, then perhaps they would try a different approach. I'm not saying Nintendo would leave, I'm not saying you hate them or love them or w/e

I'm saying, you can't find any example from past efforts as to why Nintendo would leave, wheras Sony's example is a good one. That's all I'm saying, chill!


again i didn't say Nintendo bleed dry in the 5th and 6th gen's. it's still relevent to the point i'm making about MS and why they have no reason to leave. and as to your last sentence. thats what I've been saying the hole time. i wouldn't look for that example if there was one which clearly there isn't.

if there was a situation where either was bleeding money on a console, they wouldn't go bankrupt. they would do as much as they could.

chill? you put me on defense! what did you expect?  i think your cool though and this was fun unless you have more to add.



Alby_da_Wolf said:
LordMatrix said:
dahuman said:

No, though I'm done paying for Live, so I don't see myself using their consoles in the future, but I see no reason for them to stop.


Just because you don`t want to use Xbox Live anymore doesn`t mean your system is suddenly unusable you know. Just curious but is roughly $4 a month too much for you for superior online gaming(better matchmaking, more secure networking, more community related features, daily updates in the Inside Xbox channel, very well streamlined, deals of the week, week early demo access etc.)?  Thats like paying for one freshly made burger per month. If it is too much for you thats fine. Just don`t talk like not having Live like its the end of th world as far as Xbox goes. You can still enjoy a plethora of single player experiences or split screen multiplayer.


Paying for advanced optional features, if one wants them, could be totally fine, what many people don't accept is having to pay for basic multiplayer features that are free on the other consoles and on PCs.

Perhaps thats what I like about it. I mean I pay for Xbox Live yet I very rarely play online. I use many of the other Live features on a daily basis though.



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iHuGi said:
No one should leave ... Competition is Good , without Microsoft there was no InFamous or Killzone ... without Sony there was no Forza MotorSport or Gears of War .

inFamous was in development since early 2006, so unless Sucker Punch had spies at Realtime Worlds, then I wouldn't say that Crackdown was the cause for inFamous. I will note that the climbing aspect of that game, which was thought to be a critical aspect from the get go, was compared to Crackdown and Assassin's Creed while inFamous was in development. 

And as CGI said, Gears was in development with just no publisher.

But I agree, no Halo = no Killzone. no GT = no Forza



LordMatrix said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:
LordMatrix said:
dahuman said:

No, though I'm done paying for Live, so I don't see myself using their consoles in the future, but I see no reason for them to stop.


Just because you don`t want to use Xbox Live anymore doesn`t mean your system is suddenly unusable you know. Just curious but is roughly $4 a month too much for you for superior online gaming(better matchmaking, more secure networking, more community related features, daily updates in the Inside Xbox channel, very well streamlined, deals of the week, week early demo access etc.)?  Thats like paying for one freshly made burger per month. If it is too much for you thats fine. Just don`t talk like not having Live like its the end of th world as far as Xbox goes. You can still enjoy a plethora of single player experiences or split screen multiplayer.


Paying for advanced optional features, if one wants them, could be totally fine, what many people don't accept is having to pay for basic multiplayer features that are free on the other consoles and on PCs.

Perhaps thats what I like about it. I mean I pay for Xbox Live yet I very rarely play online. I use many of the other Live features on a daily basis though.

Agree. Most probably MS found the right mix of features so that enough people (Millions? Tens million? IDK the exact figures) find it attractive. OTOH people using mostly features that are free elsewhere and not caring for the others could be pissed, it's essentially just matter of tastes, MS obviously knows its users tastes (and a lot better that last gen judging from the results). Anyway, as long as there is competition there won't be any problem.

Edit: don't forget, though, that outside of USA (and maybe UK), it's not so easy to get discounts on the cards for Live subscription renewal, this could be a major reason why the service is so much more loved in USA than elsewhere.



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I have always said that of all the console makers the one that I would love to see the hardware market is Nintendo.  The Wii console itself is nothing special.  They should be a software and accessory maker. That is what they do best.  The motion controls of the Wii have nothing to do with the little white/black box other than the code used to monitor the controls.  Move and Kinect are proof that the Wii console itself isnt important.  Nintendo doesnt care about the console other than being profitable with it.



Its libraries that sell systems not a single game.

Nintendo never made a loss on the GCN.  Losing money on a console even a $1 has never been an option for the company.  Many press conferences and reports have shown that GCN was never sold for a loss and the statement that they loss a $1 on the console just shows how desperate ppl are to make up crap that isn't even true.  Actually it looks quite embarrassing and desperate how ppl make shit up!!!  Sony on the other hand has always lost money on consoles and with the upcoming Move bundle and price war with M$...I doubt the long term sustainability of the profit they are making on the PS3!!!



oni-link said:

Nintendo never made a loss on the GCN.  Losing money on a console even a $1 has never been an option for the company.  Many press conferences and reports have shown that GCN was never sold for a loss and the statement that they loss a $1 on the console just shows how desperate ppl are to make up crap that isn't even true.  Actually it looks quite embarrassing and desperate how ppl make shit up!!!  Sony on the other hand has always lost money on consoles and with the upcoming Move bundle and price war with M$...I doubt the long term sustainability of the profit they are making on the PS3!!!


Dont really care about Nintendo selling a console at a loss or not. 

As for the upcoming price war. I think this is a just a dream for some people.  I think what you are going to see is all 3 of them looking to maximize profits the rest of this generation.  Sony isnt going to sacrifice profitability to sell a couple extra million consoles per year. Sure you will see price cuts, but they wont put the console cost above the price any longer.  MS has been there for a while and they are going to do everything they can to stay right about where they are with Sony in sales and minimally reduce the price.  MS could have easily stayed profitable and reduced prices $50 on the Xbox 360s Arcade and non Arcade, but they said "why?".  Lets pursue the Wii through Kinect and let Sony do the same with Move.



Its libraries that sell systems not a single game.