hardyhar said: 7Ate9 said: hardyhar said: Can you just answer the question? I'll ask it one more time: - Why has no third party dev invested the cash into creating and advertising a game that's up to the standard of a game like Mario Galaxy?  Any other Wii owner or defender can jump in at any time to answer if they wish to. As the excuses for poor sales are either "they didn't invest money into making a decent game" or "they didn't advertise it well enough" or a combination of the two, perhaps someone can refrain from the excuse making for long enough to tell me why exactly that is. why dont you go look for the answers you seek? ask third party devs why third party devs dont spend on the wii, not wii owners. youre wasting your time here, you dont seem like the genuinely curious type Shouldn't the kind of vehement defender of the Wii that posts on here be able to provide these answers though? They're ready and willing to give up the same old excuses when a game flops, but they're not willing to address the bigger issue of why third parties would rather invest in the 360 and PS3 than the Wii.   hsrob - I read your posts. This is how it usually goes with the Wii crowd: - 1. The game failed because it wasn't advertised. 2. The game failed because the dev didn't put money into getting the game up to a decent standard (yet when you ask about the quality of the Wii's games catalogue, of course this point suddenly disappears!) 3. A combination of 1 and 2. I'm simply asking why no third party dev has yet to avoid falling into the trap of 1, 2 or 1 & 2 combined. The Wii is well ahead in sales so what's stopping them from throwing cash at it? This has never happened before, so there is a barrier there somewhere. Tell me what that barrier is. Did you even read the first post in this thread?

Not actually part of the 'Wii crowd' as you put it and the reason I accused you of not reading my posts is because I already answered your question. 

 

hardyhar you keep ignoring good points that people have made. Monster Hunter 3 is one example of a publisher investing on the Wii and taking a risk. It might be one of the very few examples, but that doesn't mean that investing on the Wii is stupid. Business decisions are not perfect, much less the ones of an industry that is by and large bleeding money.

You have also ignored the counter point that publishers also make their fair share of excuses to explain why some of their Wii games don't perform well (despite the fact that many good quality Wii games have sold well, and some even above what their PS2 predecessors did).

As such, I'll stop replying to you until you acknowledge or counter these good points that have been made by several people in this thread.

 

hardyhar said: Can you just answer the question? I'll ask it one more time: - Why has no third party dev invested the cash into creating and advertising a game that's up to the standard of a game like Mario Galaxy?  Any other Wii owner or defender can jump in at any time to answer if they wish to. As the excuses for poor sales are either "they didn't invest money into making a decent game" or "they didn't advertise it well enough" or a combination of the two, perhaps someone can refrain from the excuse making for long enough to tell me why exactly that is.

Not to be a dick, but you'll probably be banned, anytime someone expresses their opinion about nintendo, self-defensive nintendo fans will report you and you will get banned.

 

I do agree with this point(bolded) you made though.

Third parties won't invest in a market that isn't proven - It's the demographic style management I guess. From their business policies it doesn't make sense investing $15 million in a high-end Wii release if there's no current proof that the market has the potential to sell 1 million+. Some of the Fitness games third parties have made probably had pretty sizeable marketing budgets, once the market was proven and whatnot by Wii Fit.

Instead they keep making tons of games, throwing them at the retailings and hoping something resonates with the fanbase. Comparitively they already know alot about the PS360, and have a good idea of what sells already. It's taken 2 years for COD4 to turn Medel of Honour into a modern shooter, now Spec Ops is another high budget game in on the same market and THQ have a COD4 clone too I think.

So er, the third parties will invest once they can be 'postitive' the game will sell, but that's not happend much on the Wii outside the music games, fitness games and some family friendly brand names. You can bet if Red Steel 2 sold 4 million copies or something though then it'd be a year until EA announce a combat/FPS hybrid.

Ari_Gold said: hardyhar said: Can you just answer the question? I'll ask it one more time: - Why has no third party dev invested the cash into creating and advertising a game that's up to the standard of a game like Mario Galaxy?  Any other Wii owner or defender can jump in at any time to answer if they wish to. As the excuses for poor sales are either "they didn't invest money into making a decent game" or "they didn't advertise it well enough" or a combination of the two, perhaps someone can refrain from the excuse making for long enough to tell me why exactly that is. Not to be a dick, but you'll probably be banned, anytime someone expresses their opinion about nintendo, self-defensive nintendo fans will report you and you will get banned.   I do agree with this point(bolded) you made though.

Again for the billionth time, there are developers investing on the Wii. I believe a few posters have already given enough reasons why there aren't many, and they don't necessarily have to do with the demographics of the Wii. Do you disagree with the reasons that have been given?

 

Then why it has almot 50 titles with more thant 1 million from third parties?

I don't care if I get banned, although if the mods ban someone just cos Wii owners can't face a few facts and hit the report button, then this site sucks balls.

We've gone through 6 pages where every person has done their best to avoid answering one simple question. If third parties were interested in the Wii, there would be at least one example of a AAA third party title that was also advertised well. There isn't one. Nobody can name a single game. That says it all really. It's convenient for people to roll out the "not advertised!" or "not enough money spent on the game!" excuses when a decent Wii title like Little King's Story or Z&W (pretty much inevitably) flops, yet not one person can answer my question as to why this happens.

hardyhar said: If third parties were interested in the Wii, there would be at least one example of a AAA third party title that was also advertised well. There isn't one. Nobody can name a single game.

You may have eye problems, so I'll write the example several people have given (3 or 4 times already) in big highlighted letters:

MONSTER HUNTER 3

Also:

Dragon Quest X

ubisoft have put a lot of money into red steel2 and rabbids go home. capcom is putting effort into MH3 and the next vs capcom title, rising star is publishing NMH2 and arc rise fantasia in Europe, XSEED is publishing sky crawlers and fragile dreams in USA and i fully expect sega to publish the grinder and the stratergist next year. As much as people cry out that third parties are abandoning the wii, there's stil a lot of good third party content coming next year

also investment doesn't = quality.

lks and nmh didnt have nearlyu as much budget as rabbids go home but im enjoying the first 2 a lot more
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jammy2211 said: Third parties won't invest in a market that isn't proven - It's the demographic style management I guess. From their business policies it doesn't make sense investing $15 million in a high-end Wii release if there's no current proof that the market has the potential to sell 1 million+. Some of the Fitness games third parties have made probably had pretty sizeable marketing budgets, once the market was proven and whatnot by Wii Fit. Instead they keep making tons of games, throwing them at the retailings and hoping something resonates with the fanbase. Comparitively they already know alot about the PS360, and have a good idea of what sells already. It's taken 2 years for COD4 to turn Medel of Honour into a modern shooter, now Spec Ops is another high budget game in on the same market and THQ have a COD4 clone too I think. So er, the third parties will invest once they can be 'postitive' the game will sell, but that's not happend much on the Wii outside the music games, fitness games and some family friendly brand names. You can bet if Red Steel 2 sold 4 million copies or something though then it'd be a year until EA announce a combat/FPS hybrid.

Thanks for the reply. At least you didn't dodge the question over and over again and I agree with you, although if a company never does throw a bunch of money into a Wii game, how will the market ever be proven, outside of fitness games? Not a single one has tested the waters and I don't think they ever will. They've tried to create unique Wii experiences aimed at older gamers and it just doesn't work.