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drkohler on 05 November 2007
tombi123 said:
Soriku stop repeating yourself! We read it the first time!

I got the 60GB PS3 with: Heavenly Sword, Motorstorm, 2 sixaxis controllers, Babel and Spiderman 3 on Blu ray for £349.99. I could have got the 40GB PS3 on its own for £299.99. But for the extra £50 it is more than worth it. I think this is the reason for the 90-10 split on 60GB-40GB PS3's. Not BC.

I am predicting 1.3-1.5M sales for the PS3 in Europe for the rest of the year.

Here is what is actually happening in my town (average sales of PS3 in biggest store, pretty maching total sale curves in entire country):

June/July : 3-5 60G per week

Summer: 4-6 60G Starter packs per week:

mid-August/mid-September: 5-7 Starter packs per week

mid-September/mid-October: 10-14 Starter packs (reduced price), 2-4 40G units (plain box)

mid-October/now: 3-5 Starter packs, 15-18 40G packs

The 40G packs include Fifa football and the JB blue-ray, making it the better deal than the starter pack (which is still readily available).

So PS3 sales have considerably increased in Switzerland (beating Wii slightly and largely Xbox360 as is also recorded by Mediacontrol). Although Switzerland is small-scale unitwise, I seriously doubt the numbers ioi gives for Europe, I do not think that Switzerland is radically different from other countries, despite the "Spain is PS3, UK is XBox territory" mantra which seems to influence the statistics here.

 



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darthdevidem on 05 November 2007

@Just_Ben

lol....even I didn't realise that...

only 360 stayed flat....surprisingly



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My prediction for YEARS END:

WII - 18.3 Million

Xbox 360 - 15 Million

Playstation 3 - 8.5 Million

NJ5 on 05 November 2007
Just_Ben said:
NJ5 are you overlooking that the Wii also dropped hard this week? Maybe just a slow week?

It went back to the level it was at before the recent boost (mostly coming from UK, probably caused by Metroid Prime 3).

 



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omgwtfbbq on 05 November 2007
Just_Ben said:
NJ5 are you overlooking that the Wii also dropped hard this week? Maybe just a slow week?
slow week? Look at those DS numbers!

 



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HappySqurriel on 05 November 2007
drkohler said:
tombi123 said:
Soriku stop repeating yourself! We read it the first time!

I got the 60GB PS3 with: Heavenly Sword, Motorstorm, 2 sixaxis controllers, Babel and Spiderman 3 on Blu ray for £349.99. I could have got the 40GB PS3 on its own for £299.99. But for the extra £50 it is more than worth it. I think this is the reason for the 90-10 split on 60GB-40GB PS3's. Not BC.

I am predicting 1.3-1.5M sales for the PS3 in Europe for the rest of the year.

Here is what is actually happening in my town (average sales of PS3 in biggest store, pretty maching total sale curves in entire country):

June/July : 3-5 60G per week

Summer: 4-6 60G Starter packs per week:

mid-August/mid-September: 5-7 Starter packs per week

mid-September/mid-October: 10-14 Starter packs (reduced price), 2-4 40G units (plain box)

mid-October/now: 3-5 Starter packs, 15-18 40G packs

The 40G packs include Fifa football and the JB blue-ray, making it the better deal than the starter pack (which is still readily available).

So PS3 sales have considerably increased in Switzerland (beating Wii slightly and largely Xbox360 as is also recorded by Mediacontrol). Although Switzerland is small-scale unitwise, I seriously doubt the numbers ioi gives for Europe, I do not think that Switzerland is radically different from other countries, despite the "Spain is PS3, UK is XBox territory" mantra which seems to influence the statistics here.

 

 

ioi has demonstrated time and time again that his numbers are reasonably close to shipped numbers and tracking agencies sold numbers ... His numbers are far more accurate representations than "My friend's friend owns a store that sells 10 times as may PS3 systems as Wii systems" ...

 

 



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NJ5 on 05 November 2007
drkohler said:
tombi123 said:
Soriku stop repeating yourself! We read it the first time!

I got the 60GB PS3 with: Heavenly Sword, Motorstorm, 2 sixaxis controllers, Babel and Spiderman 3 on Blu ray for £349.99. I could have got the 40GB PS3 on its own for £299.99. But for the extra £50 it is more than worth it. I think this is the reason for the 90-10 split on 60GB-40GB PS3's. Not BC.

I am predicting 1.3-1.5M sales for the PS3 in Europe for the rest of the year.

Here is what is actually happening in my town (average sales of PS3 in biggest store, pretty maching total sale curves in entire country):

June/July : 3-5 60G per week

Summer: 4-6 60G Starter packs per week:

mid-August/mid-September: 5-7 Starter packs per week

mid-September/mid-October: 10-14 Starter packs (reduced price), 2-4 40G units (plain box)

mid-October/now: 3-5 Starter packs, 15-18 40G packs

The 40G packs include Fifa football and the JB blue-ray, making it the better deal than the starter pack (which is still readily available).

So PS3 sales have considerably increased in Switzerland (beating Wii slightly and largely Xbox360 as is also recorded by Mediacontrol). Although Switzerland is small-scale unitwise, I seriously doubt the numbers ioi gives for Europe, I do not think that Switzerland is radically different from other countries, despite the "Spain is PS3, UK is XBox territory" mantra which seems to influence the statistics here.

 


From what I've seen, there haven't been any big discrepancies between vgchartz's PS3 numbers and news reports about shipments, chart-track reports etc. (EDIT - HappySqurriel beat me to it on this part)

Are you seriously suggesting that you can tell European sales from anedoctal evidence of a single town in Switzerland? There are quite radical differences between each of the consoles' performances in the different countries.

 



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erikers on 05 November 2007
HappySqurriel said:
drkohler said:
tombi123 said:
Soriku stop repeating yourself! We read it the first time!

I got the 60GB PS3 with: Heavenly Sword, Motorstorm, 2 sixaxis controllers, Babel and Spiderman 3 on Blu ray for £349.99. I could have got the 40GB PS3 on its own for £299.99. But for the extra £50 it is more than worth it. I think this is the reason for the 90-10 split on 60GB-40GB PS3's. Not BC.

I am predicting 1.3-1.5M sales for the PS3 in Europe for the rest of the year.

Here is what is actually happening in my town (average sales of PS3 in biggest store, pretty maching total sale curves in entire country):

June/July : 3-5 60G per week

Summer: 4-6 60G Starter packs per week:

mid-August/mid-September: 5-7 Starter packs per week

mid-September/mid-October: 10-14 Starter packs (reduced price), 2-4 40G units (plain box)

mid-October/now: 3-5 Starter packs, 15-18 40G packs

The 40G packs include Fifa football and the JB blue-ray, making it the better deal than the starter pack (which is still readily available).

So PS3 sales have considerably increased in Switzerland (beating Wii slightly and largely Xbox360 as is also recorded by Mediacontrol). Although Switzerland is small-scale unitwise, I seriously doubt the numbers ioi gives for Europe, I do not think that Switzerland is radically different from other countries, despite the "Spain is PS3, UK is XBox territory" mantra which seems to influence the statistics here.

 

 

ioi has demonstrated time and time again that his numbers are reasonably close to shipped numbers and tracking agencies sold numbers ... His numbers are far more accurate representations than "My friend's friend owns a store that sells 10 times as may PS3 systems as Wii systems" ...

 

 


 He hasn't demonstrated that much in regards to tracking sold numbers in OTHERS.  He had to change the 360/PS3/Wii numbers by a combined total of over 1.5 million for just 3 months worth of time when the quarterly financial reports came out.  

He is howerver more accurate than somebody's random guesses as you say.  That's basically stating the obvious though.   

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NJ5 on 05 November 2007
erikers said:
HappySqurriel said:
drkohler said:
tombi123 said:
Soriku stop repeating yourself! We read it the first time!

I got the 60GB PS3 with: Heavenly Sword, Motorstorm, 2 sixaxis controllers, Babel and Spiderman 3 on Blu ray for £349.99. I could have got the 40GB PS3 on its own for £299.99. But for the extra £50 it is more than worth it. I think this is the reason for the 90-10 split on 60GB-40GB PS3's. Not BC.

I am predicting 1.3-1.5M sales for the PS3 in Europe for the rest of the year.

Here is what is actually happening in my town (average sales of PS3 in biggest store, pretty maching total sale curves in entire country):

June/July : 3-5 60G per week

Summer: 4-6 60G Starter packs per week:

mid-August/mid-September: 5-7 Starter packs per week

mid-September/mid-October: 10-14 Starter packs (reduced price), 2-4 40G units (plain box)

mid-October/now: 3-5 Starter packs, 15-18 40G packs

The 40G packs include Fifa football and the JB blue-ray, making it the better deal than the starter pack (which is still readily available).

So PS3 sales have considerably increased in Switzerland (beating Wii slightly and largely Xbox360 as is also recorded by Mediacontrol). Although Switzerland is small-scale unitwise, I seriously doubt the numbers ioi gives for Europe, I do not think that Switzerland is radically different from other countries, despite the "Spain is PS3, UK is XBox territory" mantra which seems to influence the statistics here.

 

 

ioi has demonstrated time and time again that his numbers are reasonably close to shipped numbers and tracking agencies sold numbers ... His numbers are far more accurate representations than "My friend's friend owns a store that sells 10 times as may PS3 systems as Wii systems" ...

 

 


He hasn't demonstrated that much in regards to tracking sold numbers in OTHERS. He had to change the 360/PS3/Wii numbers by a combined total of over 1.5 million for just 3 months worth of time when the quarterly financial reports came out.

He is howerver more accurate than somebody's random guesses as you say. That's basically stating the obvious though.


Saying "a combined total of over 1.5 million" is totally meaningless. You have to look at percentages. The more we advance in this generation, the higher absolute errors and corrections there will be because that's the way statistics work.

 



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mrpapaye on 05 November 2007

Hello

About the BC problem with the 40Go PS3, i would point out that when we tell people who come in our shop that there is no PS2 BC anymore in it, up till now, no one, i repeat no one is interested anymore in this model. Of course, its just one little shop in one little country but still not one of our customers wants a PS3 without PS2 BC.
Then they buy the starter pack (not available anymore by us for some weeks already) and it has nothing to do with the very good deal the pack is.

Bye.



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erikers on 05 November 2007
NJ5 said:
erikers said:
HappySqurriel said:
drkohler said:
tombi123 said:
Soriku stop repeating yourself! We read it the first time!

I got the 60GB PS3 with: Heavenly Sword, Motorstorm, 2 sixaxis controllers, Babel and Spiderman 3 on Blu ray for £349.99. I could have got the 40GB PS3 on its own for £299.99. But for the extra £50 it is more than worth it. I think this is the reason for the 90-10 split on 60GB-40GB PS3's. Not BC.

I am predicting 1.3-1.5M sales for the PS3 in Europe for the rest of the year.

Here is what is actually happening in my town (average sales of PS3 in biggest store, pretty maching total sale curves in entire country):

June/July : 3-5 60G per week

Summer: 4-6 60G Starter packs per week:

mid-August/mid-September: 5-7 Starter packs per week

mid-September/mid-October: 10-14 Starter packs (reduced price), 2-4 40G units (plain box)

mid-October/now: 3-5 Starter packs, 15-18 40G packs

The 40G packs include Fifa football and the JB blue-ray, making it the better deal than the starter pack (which is still readily available).

So PS3 sales have considerably increased in Switzerland (beating Wii slightly and largely Xbox360 as is also recorded by Mediacontrol). Although Switzerland is small-scale unitwise, I seriously doubt the numbers ioi gives for Europe, I do not think that Switzerland is radically different from other countries, despite the "Spain is PS3, UK is XBox territory" mantra which seems to influence the statistics here.

 

 

ioi has demonstrated time and time again that his numbers are reasonably close to shipped numbers and tracking agencies sold numbers ... His numbers are far more accurate representations than "My friend's friend owns a store that sells 10 times as may PS3 systems as Wii systems" ...

 

 


He hasn't demonstrated that much in regards to tracking sold numbers in OTHERS. He had to change the 360/PS3/Wii numbers by a combined total of over 1.5 million for just 3 months worth of time when the quarterly financial reports came out.

He is howerver more accurate than somebody's random guesses as you say. That's basically stating the obvious though.


Saying "a combined total of over 1.5 million" is totally meaningless. You have to look at percentages. The more we advance in this generation, the higher absolute errors and corrections there will be because that's the way statistics work.

 


 It's not totally meaningless at all.  It's just the angle you took to try and make my point not look valid.  ioi Changed the Wii totals upward of 700k.  You can go find the exact totals the Wii sold in Others for the last quarter.  The Wii has only sold 3.93 total since launch there.  If he was only off 700k the whole time since LAUNCH that's an 18% error ratio.

However we're talking about being off 700k in just one quarter where the Wii sold somewhere around 1.4-1.7 million.  We're looking at an error percentage around 35-45% and possibly higher if anybody can recall ioi's numbers before he changed it.  

It's pretty hard to be off by 700k in a region where the wii sold less than 2 million total for just one quarter period.  Just face it, without weekly sales to guide you to near correct numbers (Japan) or monthly sales with only 2 markets (USA/Canada) it's almost impossible to predict the sales of 10+ regions all with different buying styles.   When he has 0 references to go off of for 3+ months in a row, his Others numbers end up being wildly off, it's been seen time and time again.  Why is this hard for you to admit?  All it means is we have to wait until the next financial report to get near accurate Others numbers. 

I like this site probably more than you but I'm not going to be blind like you just because I don't want to admit the site needs much more help tracking PAL numbers.  By the way, I'm not even going to go into how the Ps3 could have been raised by 400k last quarter when it's only sold 1.98 in OTHERS since it's launch.  You can do the math on that one.   

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