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Forums - Sales Discussion - Breaking News : Gfk France Number PS3 reachs 2 millions

bat-ON on 21 December 2009
CGI-Quality said:
Not bad, not bad at all.


Sorry but wrong according to this interview :

http://www.jeuxvideo.tv/video/console-sony-playstation-3.html#view:308430

At 0.30, he says : 2 millions of ps3 sold BEFORE christmas, not a the end of the year.

With a pace of 45k/week for VGC, the PS3 will reach 1.90 according to VGC, that mean 100.000 less than the Gfk numbers.

In this interview

http://www.gamekult.com/articles/A00000818822/

Fornay says : "Le parc installé de PlayStation 3 en France va passer tranquillement les deux millions de machines vendues en cette fin d'année."

The LTD of PS3 will be easily OVER 2 millions at the end of the year.

When you try to inform, we need to be precisely

 



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libellule on 21 December 2009

@bat-ON,

thank you

that is what I was saying : gamekult interview =/= jeuxvideo.com interview

I m looking the jeuxvide.com interview

EDIT : he clearly say 2M LTD before Xmas

but who knows if it is to consumers or retailers



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justinian on 21 December 2009

That's good for PS3 regardless of the exact figure.

The x360 had a year and a half start regardless of excuses regarding prod or supply.

PS3 costed twice as much for most of it's life which in my opinion was a far greater handicap.





psrock on 21 December 2009

It seems VGchartz is spot on, Good job ioi.



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bat-ON on 21 December 2009
libellule said:

@bat-ON,

thank you

that is what I was saying : gamekult interview =/= jeuxvideo.com interview

I m looking the jeuxvide.com interview

EDIT : he clearly say 2M LTD before Xmas

but who knows if it is to consumers or retailers


Pas de problème

In order to be as complete as possible, the YTD for France, Gfk Data :

2007 : 533.000 PS3

2008 : 715.000 PS3

2009 : 850.000 PS3 (estimated)

And we know that relating to Gfk, the number of 360 is half the PS3 number in 2009, that means

2009 : 425.000 Xbox360

All this numbers come from Gfk and are the numbers sold to the final consumers (1'30  ITW of JV.FR), not to the retailers. So VGC numbers are 100k under the reality.



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MikeB on 21 December 2009
jarrod said:
MikeB said:
jarrod said:
MikeB said:
jarrod said:
MikeB said:
Very nice result vs the 360 so far considering the 360's 1 year and 5 months headstart (2 more holiday seasons).

360's holiday launch was so supply constrained, it's not really worth pointing out versus PS3's March.  Demand outstripped supply through April for 360 in America and Europe.

Someone told me, shortages were mainly due to RROD problems. Sounds reasonably plausible to me.

RROD didn't start creeping in until units were failing in later 2006.  Shortages were due to having a worldwide launch and the general issues associated with new console launches.  360's tech being absolute bleeding edge didn't help yields either (this was also an issue for PS3, which experienced launch window shortages in Europe as well).

For example from 1up (posted 23rd of November 2005):

reasonable gamer lays it out like this: "Between my friends and I, we bought 6 machines at the Zero Hour event. Of the 6, my machine has a dead hard drive, another machine is working but is rather flaky (seen some strange behavior - the drive may also be scratching discs, as my friend's copy of Condemned is now unplayably scratched, but we don't know if the drive caused it - the machine has also had problems booting games and being turned off...), one seems to be good, and I haven't heard yet about the status of the other three."

Even here in our offices we have had some incidents with retail units. One of them overheated and crashed during Project Gotham Racing 3, though not as spectacularly as Jsgongwon's experience. Dan "Shoe" Hsu also reported that a very strange echo effect happened during Xbox Live play of Perfect Dark Zero - sometimes a word said over chat would endlessly repeat in a strange echo effect over and over in the headphones. Some kind of bizarre feedback loop?

 

Er, none of those issues refer to RROD specifically, though one did say it overheated.  The rest are game related bugs/crashes or HDD/DVD drive failures.

Yep there were many issues, RROD points towards general hardware failure and according to Microsoft does not refer to overheating per se (although most agree it accounts for the bulk).

People did not refer to this as RROD at the time:

http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=461073&pid=3052464&st=0&#entry3052464

Many kiosk units died back in 2005 and a good number of consoles were dead on arrival.



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jarrod on 21 December 2009
MikeB said:
jarrod said:
MikeB said:
jarrod said:
MikeB said:
jarrod said:
MikeB said:
Very nice result vs the 360 so far considering the 360's 1 year and 5 months headstart (2 more holiday seasons).

360's holiday launch was so supply constrained, it's not really worth pointing out versus PS3's March.  Demand outstripped supply through April for 360 in America and Europe.

Someone told me, shortages were mainly due to RROD problems. Sounds reasonably plausible to me.

RROD didn't start creeping in until units were failing in later 2006.  Shortages were due to having a worldwide launch and the general issues associated with new console launches.  360's tech being absolute bleeding edge didn't help yields either (this was also an issue for PS3, which experienced launch window shortages in Europe as well).

For example from 1up (posted 23rd of November 2005):

reasonable gamer lays it out like this: "Between my friends and I, we bought 6 machines at the Zero Hour event. Of the 6, my machine has a dead hard drive, another machine is working but is rather flaky (seen some strange behavior - the drive may also be scratching discs, as my friend's copy of Condemned is now unplayably scratched, but we don't know if the drive caused it - the machine has also had problems booting games and being turned off...), one seems to be good, and I haven't heard yet about the status of the other three."

Even here in our offices we have had some incidents with retail units. One of them overheated and crashed during Project Gotham Racing 3, though not as spectacularly as Jsgongwon's experience. Dan "Shoe" Hsu also reported that a very strange echo effect happened during Xbox Live play of Perfect Dark Zero - sometimes a word said over chat would endlessly repeat in a strange echo effect over and over in the headphones. Some kind of bizarre feedback loop?

 

Er, none of those issues refer to RROD specifically, though one did say it overheated.  The rest are game related bugs/crashes or HDD/DVD drive failures.

Yep there were many issues, RROD points towards general hardware failure and according to Microsoft does not refer to overheating per se (although most agree it accounts for the bulk).

People did not refer to this as RROD at the time:

http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=461073&pid=3052464&st=0&#entry3052464

Many kiosk units died back in 2005 and a good number of consoles were dead on arrival.

Regardless, I'm still unsure what this has to do with demand driven shortages?  Microsoft clearly had no issue shipping faulty units, as you've gone to some lengths to show, so RROD can't logically be the core cause for their supply shortages 360's 1st half year.  



reptile168 on 21 December 2009

well, usually, whether it's Sony or Microsoft, the number they offer is probably SHIPPING while Vgchartz track SOLD to customer



SOLIDSNAKE08 on 21 December 2009

in europe theres going to be alot of adjustments after december. there always is.



gurglesletch on 21 December 2009

I'm sure all the consoles will be adjusted after the holidays because i'm sure ioi is under a lot of pressure to get the numbers up before he's 100% sure that they are right.




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