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S.T.A.G.E. on 12 December 2009
nofingershaha said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
nofingershaha said:
The real problem isn't racism, bias, or even the RROD, but commitment to their market on Microsoft's part.

Remember when Sega pulled the plug on the Saturn because it was doing poorly in the West, Saturn games and consoles were still being sold in Japan. When Sega decided to become a software company and abandoned the Dreamcast, they still supported the Dreamcast in Japan long after the console cycle ended everywhere else.

My point is Japan is not Microsoft's territory and if their gaming division in Japan fails to bring in revenue, then Microsoft can easily withdraw from that market. For Nintendo and Sony, Japan is the last market they will abandon. Japan is where their main location is at and that gives Japanese consumers some insurance that the console they invest in will continue to be around for some time.

We all can agree that if we knew Sega was only going to support the Dreamcast for a couple of years, no one would have invested in that console. It is the same with Japanese gamers, they do not know if Microsoft is committed to their market enough.


The Japanese couldn't care less if Microsoft was to sacrifice itself. Japan is a socialistic nation whilst America is individualistic. They are for each other and we are for ourselves. They will support their companies and help them grow so they then provide them with quality giving back to community. America downsizes their companies and outsources to Asia so they wont have to pay workers as much and raise profit margins. America is the polar opposite of Japan....we promote competition and open-mindedness which is why we fail with the rest of the world. At some point Europeans buy their goods to support their economy, Japanese buy their goods religiously and America buys from everyone. If you've got something of value we want it. The average Europeans consumption rate per capita is nowhere near to us. We need to start being a little nationalistic so quality can come back to America.

You make good points on the rest of the world being more community/society driven than the US. However I think its important to note while we are on the subject, Ipods have literally crushed the MP3 market in Japan. Even Ken Kutaragi was disappointed with Sony's response to Apple's Ipod. So while Japanese do prefer their own goods and services, there have been exceptions.

Exacty as I said. If you create something the Japanese cannot replicate themselves or make it better they will buy it. This is the ONLY deal breaker for them. I can see why Kutaragi would be pissed. Quality is not an issue for them. You must go above and beyond their own products to impress them. Being on par doesn't help.



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alekth on 12 December 2009

I think they backed it pretty well when there were the games (and when those were all the choices). But FFXIII not being on it and the recent JRPGs that got ported did make it bad for it again.

And yeah, there is Japan-only 360 exclusive stuff but it's very niche stuff, and a lot more popular on the PC.



S.T.A.G.E. on 12 December 2009
loves2splooge said:
I have seen a lot of misinformation in this thread spread by PS fanboys.

1) Whoever said that the 360 doesn't have any exclusive Japan-only games needs to educate themselves right now. Go to Vgchartz database, select X360 under Console, region: Japan. You'd be surprised how much Japan-only stuff has remained 360 exclusive. They are just niche and aren't big sellers like Tales and Star Ocean (these are the only two major IPs that M$ lost to my knowledge. Ninja Gaiden isn't big in Japan. It's fanbase is mostly western)

2) Not everything gets ported to the PS3. Enchanted Arms, Eternal Sonata, Tales of Vesperia and Ninja Gaiden II got ported (and it's debateable whether Sigma 2 is really "enhanced" from what I've heard about comparisons between the two). And Star Ocean 4 is going to get ported soon. But the vast majority of 360 exclusives in Japan remained 360 exclusive or M$ exclusive (360/Windows OS like the visual novels and TLR). Don't use your ignorance about the 360 scene in Japan as an excuse to overlook this. Some are Japan-only, some have been localized to the western market.

3) Saying that the jrpgs on the 360 are second-rate is an insult to Mistwalker (Lost Odyssey and Blue Dragon). Infinite Undiscovery while not my cup of tea, definitely has fans. Can't comment on The Last Remnant and Magnacarta II yet but those games do have a following. Famitsu loved TLR. Btw Lost Odyssey and Blue Dragon are M$ property so they are not getting ported unless M$ sells off the IPs.

4) Saying that the 360 software isn't good is bs. The western otakus who are saying this stuff, stop being so close-minded and actually try western games for a change. Just because you don't have a 360 doesn't mean it doesn't have value. I am ashamed of my geeky niche Japanese interests because of how annoying and close-minded this fanbase can be in the west. It makes me sick. I like both western and Japanese games. The 360 also has a lot of good Japanese software but if you want to bash it because of your "it must suck because it's on a western console" irrationality, be my guest. It's western otakus like that that give people like me a bad name and get me branded unjustly with "weeaboo" labels and what not just because I have diverse interests.

QFT!



S.T.A.G.E. on 12 December 2009
alekth said:
I think they backed it pretty well when there were the games (and when those were all the choices). But FFXIII not being on it and the recent JRPGs that got ported did make it bad for it again.

And yeah, there is Japan-only 360 exclusive stuff but it's very niche stuff, and a lot more popular on the PC.


The only reason FFXIII is exclusive to the PS3 in Japan is because of low 360 sales in Japan coupled with Japanese bias anyway. SE put the final nail in the coffin for MS by giving into Japanese Nationalism in stating FFXIII Versus will be superior to the main franchise version and will be exclusively on the PS3. Now the Japanese will buy more PS3's. Watch and wait. They're very predictable.



theman88 on 12 December 2009

Because the Japanese like their own stuff and Americans like quality so they too buy the PS3 its like cars. Honda toyota nissan are huge here why? because until recently they blow the competition out of the water like ford and GM



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S.T.A.G.E. on 12 December 2009
theman88 said:
Because the Japanese like their own stuff and Americans like quality so they too buy the PS3 its like cars. Honda toyota nissan are huge here why? because until recently they blow the competition out of the water like ford and GM


Wrong. It a completely open market economy like ours there is no loyalt between consumer and company. This is why large American companies couldn't care less about American workers. Secondly, Americans have and can still make superior cars to the Japnese. The electric car market was destroyed before it could grow in America because of oil companies, specia interests and lobbyists. In other words our car industry was sabotaged. We can heal if the our domestic industry leaders know whats good for them. Greed because of capitalism is what has lead us to this point (yes.....I said it).



xbebop on 12 December 2009
S.T.A.G.E. said:
nofingershaha said:
The real problem isn't racism, bias, or even the RROD, but commitment to their market on Microsoft's part.

Remember when Sega pulled the plug on the Saturn because it was doing poorly in the West, Saturn games and consoles were still being sold in Japan. When Sega decided to become a software company and abandoned the Dreamcast, they still supported the Dreamcast in Japan long after the console cycle ended everywhere else.

My point is Japan is not Microsoft's territory and if their gaming division in Japan fails to bring in revenue, then Microsoft can easily withdraw from that market. For Nintendo and Sony, Japan is the last market they will abandon. Japan is where their main location is at and that gives Japanese consumers some insurance that the console they invest in will continue to be around for some time.

We all can agree that if we knew Sega was only going to support the Dreamcast for a couple of years, no one would have invested in that console. It is the same with Japanese gamers, they do not know if Microsoft is committed to their market enough.


The Japanese couldn't care less if Microsoft was to sacrifice itself. Japan is a socialistic nation whilst America is individualistic. They are for each other and we are for ourselves. They will support their companies and help them grow so they then provide them with quality giving back to community. America downsizes their companies and outsources to Asia so they wont have to pay workers as much and raise profit margins. America is the polar opposite of Japan....we promote competition and open-mindedness which is why we fail with the rest of the world. At some point Europeans buy their goods to support their economy, Japanese buy their goods religiously and America buys from everyone. If you've got something of value we want it. The average Europeans consumption rate per capita is nowhere near to us. We need to start being a little nationalistic so quality can come back to America.

If Americans were to, say, halve their consumption per capita, the world's economy would collapse. Asia economy and North America's economy rely enormously on each other. Asia, to sell their cheap goods, America to buy them. Europeans, as you said, do not buy foreign goods at the pace that Americans do, so they could not make up the difference on their own. American companies depend on people buying their cheap outsourced goods, so this would not turn out well...

The point is: Americans need to spend like crazy to support the world economy.



Xoj on 12 December 2009
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Xoj said:
Boneitis said:
Obviously the Japanese have brand loyalty. For example Dreamcast and Saturn sold much better than the 360.

US consumers do as well. But not quite to the same extent as the Japanese.

sega consoles were better quality.


Yeah, I'm sure the Dreamcast had DVD-9 and played HD games. Why cant you just say that Sega put the console together properly? In terms of parts there is no way Sega had a better quality console. They put the console together properly so it wouldn't malfunction which is why my Dreamcast still lives today. Coming to think of it the Dreamcast was put together better than the PS3 as well.

the original xbox didn't play HD games either. actually none of the consoles on the market did, actually from games and overall quality dreamcast was better console in japan. than the xbox-

just sega didn't have the money to drag a economical failure like microsoft.



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NSS7 on 12 December 2009

First I'm sorry if my English not really that good.

Why everyone is talking about PS3 has better quality, has more appeal games, Xbox has low quality,Xbox JRPG is 2nd class, PS3 has FF,GT,MGS. Those are just small reasons. It all about being nationalistic. Sony is one of the most biggest company in Japan and is Japnaese icon that promote Japan as one of the most advanced country. PS3 is Sony product while X360 is from Microsoft. I dont see any reason why Japanese must buy foreign console when 90% of all games in both console are same and both has its own advantage and disadvantage. PS3 is better in quality, free PSN, popular brand but it was expensive, has worse multiplat games, and less JRPG. X360 is lot cheaper, has JRPG but has worse quality, less popular brand and dont have FF, MGS, Yakuza. All this make them equal. Both are great and appeal to HD gamer. So, why PS3 is still selling 4x more than X360 (i mean LTD not weekly). As i said before Japanese is very patriotic society. They always think their product is better than other countries product. Some western product did great like Ipod but that because it was lot better than Walkman (when Ipod first come out Walkman they still using disc). Japanese loves MC Donald because they dont have such thing there. Same as American film, tv series, music. All doing well there. Can anyone tell me why Japanese film, drama and Jpop is not doing well in US. ? It is just the same thing. I can conclude that Japanese dont hate American product but when their product is same or a bit worse than American they still prefer domestic product. Being nationalistic is what makes them very successful nowadays. Can you imagine if Japanese bought GM and Ford instead of Toyota when it just come out (earry Toyota is not as good as GM or Ford). I dont think it will be successful as it was now. Even if the whole world againts their product all Japanese firm can still survive if their people still support them. I think all country (especially developing country) should learn from them. In my country (Malaysia) everyone praise Japan/West product and said our local product sux. I'm agree that our (as malaysian) local product is not as good as import but if we dont support them then who will. The reason our national car is still competitive because it was lot cheaper and all import cars has lot tax.

This is just my opinion. Sorry for being quite off topic. Please dont insult me. I know some not agree with me. Everyone has their own reason and we must respect each other opinon (as long it is logic).