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RVDondaPC said:
noname2200 said:

I'll leave the Wii issue aside for now (although they've recently reiterated their stance on that topic) and ignore the fact that they have not, to the best of my knowledge, made a single 360-exclusive game either.

The rest of your post may have some merit, although I suspect you're putting a few more words in Ricitello's mouth than he intended. Nonetheless, my original point stands: all three of the examples that you picked were poor examples. EA specifically lobbied Valve to let them create a PS3 port for the Orange Box: Valve had zero interest in porting the game and did next to nothing to help EA. The lack of Left4Dead on the PS3 can also be laid exclusively at Valve's feet; EA has no way of forcing Valve to let EA port the game. Finally, EA could not, under any circumstances, publish a PS3 version of the original Mass Effect, due to Microsoft's licensing of the console version.

You chose the three biggest examples where EA either WAS pro-PS3 or in which it could NOT do anything about the PS3 due to a third-party's actions. All I'm saying is that you would have been better served by citing other games in their stead.

I don't think there are any other games that are PS3 or 360 exclusive. Infact EA seems to hit up every console(or just about) with each of their games. Which makes it even dumber for them to put the blame on the failures of the PS3. My point was that it gave no exclusive support or content to the PS3, which makes one wonder about their comment of picking PS3 to be in first, yet showing absolutely no special treatment to back up such a comment.  I agree the games I chose were not the best examples but they are the only thing that really differentiates EA's support between the PS3 and the 360. I do agree that porting the Orange box is a sign of supporting the PS3, but really it's just a half assed catch up job to try to balance out an advantage that the 360 already had from Valve. 

With being the publisher of big 360 exclusives, regardless of who controls the IP, it would seem they have more eggs in the MS basket than the PS3. Yet they still blame the PS3. Also the quote may be admitting some guilt but if you pay attention to it what it's really saying is "we made a mistake, but it really wasnt our fault, the PS3 fucked up worse and it's their fault" Instead of saying "we failed to realize the potential of the Wii" they chose to say "We failed cuz the PS3 failed"

Edit: the guy's actual quotes really arent that bad. I guess reading the posts after it kind of painted a different picture in my head. He is actually right for the most part. Though the 360 may be just as much as a failure as the PS3 in terms of EA developed games, the fact that they probably didnt bank on the 360 being that much of a winner to begin with didn't hurt them as much. Infact the 360 probably exceeded their expectations from what they were before this generation got started. So that is probably why they mentioned only the PS3's failure and the Wii's surpirse dominance and don't mention the 360 as part of the reason. Either way I still stand by my opinion that the majority of the reason why they failed is not because of the consoles they chose but because of the games they developed for them. 

"the guy's actual quotes really arent that bad"

Which is why I choose the OP title I did.  They basically believe PS3 would be where Wii is now, and they got plans into motion to suppor that belief.  Alot of people are pointing to IP that wasn't even under EA's control when the games were launched.  People seem to forget that Bioware was basically a Windows and Xbox developer until Dragon Age, and Valve is royally roasted for being Xbox-centric.  Currently, looking at EA's recent moves, they are all PRO-PS3...why would you exclusive BF demo to PS3, when you know sales are going to be totally dominant of the 360?



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disolitude said:
coolestguyever said:
disolitude said:
EA has helped put Sega out of console business by not supporting the Dreamcast.

Am I to feel bad for them or something?

Sega never even came close. First Nintendo kicked their asses and then Sony had a turn. Yeah the lack of EA support didn't help the Dreamcast but it wouldn't have sold well anyways.

On topic who didn't think the PS3 would win? I bet even Nintendo deep down didn't think they would win.

Lol, thanks for that extremely shallow and hateful reply. Really added much insight to this topic.

Ofcrouse you were like 2 when Sega was at its prime so what would you know? Not much as demonstrated by this post...

Sorry old timer, can't change when I was born. All I can do is look back at the history and see how poorly Sega did. Playstation 1 sold more units then all Sega consoles combined, that's gotta tell ya something.



What a lame excuse by EA. I think your failure is due to releasing average and below games quaility. Lets assume that you concentrated on Wii since this start, would you believe it would be any different? I think it will even be worse since 99% of third party game released for Wii have failed.

Almost every game released on PS3 was released on 360. So why you are pointing to Sony for your failure. Again, very lame excuse.



disolitude said:
Severance said:
disolitude said:
Xen said:
disolitude said:
EA has helped put Sega out of console business by not supporting the Dreamcast.

Am I to feel bad for them or something?

SEGA helped EA in reaching that decision.


Great. Hope they never support Sony again as well moving forward...

huh?

Well the way their CEO is speaking there seems like Sony is to blame for EA losses. Since they cut off sega due to their losses with the saturn, it would be logical for the crappy publisher to start cutting off the sony resources that are so precious to their revenue statements.

EA are a bunch of wankers if you ask me...

Normally I'd agree, but since their games this gen have actually been worthy of a purchase (!!!), I gotta disagree.



Xen said:
disolitude said:
Severance said:
disolitude said:
Xen said:
disolitude said:
EA has helped put Sega out of console business by not supporting the Dreamcast.

Am I to feel bad for them or something?

SEGA helped EA in reaching that decision.


Great. Hope they never support Sony again as well moving forward...

huh?

Well the way their CEO is speaking there seems like Sony is to blame for EA losses. Since they cut off sega due to their losses with the saturn, it would be logical for the crappy publisher to start cutting off the sony resources that are so precious to their revenue statements.

EA are a bunch of wankers if you ask me...

Normally I'd agree, but since their games this gen have actually been worthy of a purchase (!!!), I gotta disagree.

like what? Mass effect 2?



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coolestguyever said:
disolitude said:
coolestguyever said:
disolitude said:
EA has helped put Sega out of console business by not supporting the Dreamcast.

Am I to feel bad for them or something?

Sega never even came close. First Nintendo kicked their asses and then Sony had a turn. Yeah the lack of EA support didn't help the Dreamcast but it wouldn't have sold well anyways.

On topic who didn't think the PS3 would win? I bet even Nintendo deep down didn't think they would win.

Lol, thanks for that extremely shallow and hateful reply. Really added much insight to this topic.

Ofcrouse you were like 2 when Sega was at its prime so what would you know? Not much as demonstrated by this post...

Sorry old timer, can't change when I was born. All I can do is look back at the history and see how poorly Sega did. Playstation 1 sold more units then all Sega consoles combined, that's gotta tell ya something.

Well by that logic of yours Britney Spears probably is the best female musician and Toyota Corolla is the best car ever made.

not trying to knock the PS1 as it was a great system but anyone who thinks sales numbers only indicate gaming quality needs to re-evaluate their opinion on gaming... and a lot of other things.



EA expected the order of HW sales to be PS3, X360, Wii. The order turned out to be Wii, X360, PS3.

So EA was late to the Wii party, and sales suffered. Given that the 360 sold at least as good as EA expected, who is to blame for EA's financial problems?

There are two options:

A) EA was to blame for underestimating the Wii (fault lies with EA)
or
B) Sony is to blame for not making the PS3 the #1 selling console. (fault lies with Sony)

Which option do you expect the CEO of EA to pick?



its funny, they where right for there buisness as the PS3 is the biggest earner for EA isnt it now?



Severance said:
if thats really true then why was most of the early PS3 games ports ?

No they weren't. Unless you mean multiplatforms with primary development on the X360, but that's only logical because the X360 came out first. So they shouldn't be seen as ports per se.



disolitude said:
EA has helped put Sega out of console business by not supporting the Dreamcast.

Am I to feel bad for them or something?

EA invested millions of dollars into the Saturn and SEGA pulled the plug on it.

That is why they didn't support the Dreamcast.