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I agree with most of what you said but the disruption this and disruption that stuff is becoming tiresome.



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papflesje said:
aaah, numonex, here's the pop question: What would you have said about Natal if it were Sony's technology, I wonder :)

I would be either making no comment or talking negatively about it.



SmokedHostage said:

Really quick, let me say that these are my sloppy, collective thoughts on Natal and the Sony Wand and how well they will be received.

Now you're probably asking yourself, "Why does this Ninty fanboy think that Natal and the Sony Wand will fail?"  To simplify my answer, I'd like to say one word. Disruption.  The Wii came into a market that was so focused on HD visuals, bigger and better hardware, and the future of the medium through the desires of last generation's gamers that an entire market was left generally ignored.  Now it's 3 years later and this market isn't so untapped anymore.  They've moved to the console that spoke to their needs; their accessible, more lax game playing needs.  It's not longer disruption products that're being pitched at these casual game players but rather, it's a drive towards a "We have that too" race to catch up.

That said, I have to say that I full heartily believe the Natal and the Sony Wand will not meet the expectations of most people who follow this industry.   The general mentality is that because the PS3 and 360 are much more powerful platforms than the Wii(graphically) and because their respective motion-based devices will be better than a Wii remote, Natal and the Sony Wand will seem to take over the more casual market over night.  Sometimes, I think it's forgotten that software creates momentum.  Will software like Ricochet or a Motion ready LittleBigPlanet be what these types of game players want?  Small XBLA titles like Ricochet and games with a traditional control scheme with one of these devices tacked on like Resident Evil 5 and LittleBigPlanet seem to be want several publishers are shooting for.  I'm sorry to honestly can't say that these games are disruptive. 

Will third party developers who develop on Wii flock to HD consoles and come up with a line-up for unproven hardware?  I doubt it.  The development for HD consoles has proven time and time again to be pricey and those relatively new to the architecture of these machines are definitely going to have a hard time.  Another thing that comes to mind, what types of strategies will they use to sell these titles?  They can borrow strategies that worked well for the Wii, the commercial style of Carvinal Games, the bundling of Wii Sports, the unique covers of Madden on Wii, but here's the thing.  You probably know it by now. GASP!  It's not disruptive.

In the end, the market will speak with its millions of dollars.  I can't really say that I'm right or I'm wrong but I don't see Natal or the Sony Wand being the megahits they've been conceived to be.  I don't know.  Maybe I'm just a cynical Ninty fanboy.

Didn't read the OP above ^ but all I can say is the Wand will meet expectations because there is absolutely no expectations about it.  People who have not followed PS3 news don't know about it.



If the only focus of Natal/Wand is to attract casual gamers, then I hope they fail. I don't really care for any of the casual games I've played.



Thanks for the input, Jeff.

 

 

I think the Sony wand is a rip-off and NATAL is a PSeye rip-off, Natal might have potential but not as a game device.. I think little of both devices.. PS wand will be a wii-mote and I didn't ignore the Wii for no reason, I can not think of any releastic way Natal will make games better..



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maybe, but also sony/ms fans will see it as a gimmic



I don't know if they will meet expectations. I don't know if they will get the third party support they need. I definitley don't know if the Wand and Natal will breathe life into their respective consoles.

I only know one thing for sure: There is no fucking way I am paying for Natal or the Wand. They both looks like the most fraud attachments/accessories that Sony/MS have ever come up with. Two companies that consistently bashed Nintendo at the beginning of this generation are now on Nintendo's dick. If you are going to have something REVOLUTIONARY in your console, it needs to be in the console when it is released. You are not going to "breathe" new life into a console that was released three years ago, by adding a controller attachments. Sorry but that just doesn't work. As far as Natal goes, who knows. Maybe it will be successful. But I HIGHLY doubt it will come close to the sales of motion +. And either way it is fraud.



Well I want the sony motion controller because i want to play RE5 the right way and if sony and others put the controller to games like FPSs and TPSs I don't care if they throw in a couple of causal bullshit games on the side. I still get what i want. Its not like the PS2 and PSone didn't have causal games too. Pacman was a causal game just like Mario and those games didn't hurt other games from being made. If you like it or not controllers are moving to the next steps just like analog sticks and rumble... everyone is going to use them. Get over it.



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code.samurai said:
SmokedHostage said:

Really quick, let me say that these are my sloppy, collective thoughts on Natal and the Sony Wand and how well they will be received.

Now you're probably asking yourself, "Why does this Ninty fanboy think that Natal and the Sony Wand will fail?"  To simplify my answer, I'd like to say one word. Disruption.  The Wii came into a market that was so focused on HD visuals, bigger and better hardware, and the future of the medium through the desires of last generation's gamers that an entire market was left generally ignored.  Now it's 3 years later and this market isn't so untapped anymore.  They've moved to the console that spoke to their needs; their accessible, more lax game playing needs.  It's not longer disruption products that're being pitched at these casual game players but rather, it's a drive towards a "We have that too" race to catch up.

That said, I have to say that I full heartily believe the Natal and the Sony Wand will not meet the expectations of most people who follow this industry.   The general mentality is that because the PS3 and 360 are much more powerful platforms than the Wii(graphically) and because their respective motion-based devices will be better than a Wii remote, Natal and the Sony Wand will seem to take over the more casual market over night.  Sometimes, I think it's forgotten that software creates momentum.  Will software like Ricochet or a Motion ready LittleBigPlanet be what these types of game players want?  Small XBLA titles like Ricochet and games with a traditional control scheme with one of these devices tacked on like Resident Evil 5 and LittleBigPlanet seem to be want several publishers are shooting for.  I'm sorry to honestly can't say that these games are disruptive. 

Will third party developers who develop on Wii flock to HD consoles and come up with a line-up for unproven hardware?  I doubt it.  The development for HD consoles has proven time and time again to be pricey and those relatively new to the architecture of these machines are definitely going to have a hard time.  Another thing that comes to mind, what types of strategies will they use to sell these titles?  They can borrow strategies that worked well for the Wii, the commercial style of Carvinal Games, the bundling of Wii Sports, the unique covers of Madden on Wii, but here's the thing.  You probably know it by now. GASP!  It's not disruptive.

In the end, the market will speak with its millions of dollars.  I can't really say that I'm right or I'm wrong but I don't see Natal or the Sony Wand being the megahits they've been conceived to be.  I don't know.  Maybe I'm just a cynical Ninty fanboy.

Didn't read the OP above ^ but all I can say is the Wand will meet expectations because there is absolutely no expectations about it.  People who have not followed PS3 news don't know about it.

This sounds like the reason why PSP Go meets expectations.



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