maykissthebride ima tell you what real consumers (or the average consumer) is like.

Do you really think that to sell 1m in a 55million market could be seen as good results? Only if your game is a port of Crazy Taxi.

 

If these 55 million were the hardcore niche gamers who actively BUY MORE AND MORE GAMES, then you might have a point.

The demographic that the wii aims at, the average consumer, the mass market, the normal people, do not want to actively buy games.

Because of this fact, the wii will always have the phenomonen where some games sell a shitton and everything else sells very mediocre.

1) Remember when the wii first hit the market. Every single new game used to bring the same question: "Wow! A new game! Wonder how the motion controls will work on that one!!!!!!!"

And nowdays i guess normal people its used to "Look, a new wii game. MEH!" There´s nothing of the early days excitment.

 

No, hardcore gamers thought of the wii as a novelty and a piece of crap, mostly stemming from the 'nintendo is for kids' rhetoric.

Normal consumers, didnt know what to think of the wii aside from a mild curiosity, there was no burning WHAT IS THIS NEW THING!?

 

2) If project natal comes with deadly frightening full power taking this motion control novelty/new market, the wii is really dead

Virtual reality is doomed to failure as any kind of hobby technology, you know why? because it won't ever capture movement accurately enough.

Gameplay demands accuracy of movement, otherwise it is frustrating, and a game that is frustrating is not fun, hence no one likes it.

Your talking about a technology that has no good application or represantation in the military or Government, why would this technology be amazing for hobby but never done well in the military or Government (which would perfect it first).

All technology is first done in military and Government before consumers use it for everyday use.

Well.. you kinda kill your own point with your arguments:

You see, the average consumer may have bought the wii as in impulse buy. But if there´s a new game with a undeniable appeal, they WILL BUY GAMES

Just like wii fit. Are you trying to say that there´s no almost 30 million balance boards sold because "average people dont buy games"?

And Wii Sports Resort? Almost 7mil at this moment 5 months after release, almost 10mil Motion Plus units sold

The average consumer buy games. But only good games. Only the cream of the crop. The average consumer dont want Muramasa

Which takes us to the point: No 3rd party has come CLOSE to the sucess of nintendo´s own software. Why is that? Because people thinks only Nintendo games will work with the wii? Lets not be stupid here: 3rd party wii games dont sell because most of them are AWFUL! The thin amount of nearly decent software that 3rd parties release from time to time is just not innovative or good enough to sell on the wii. 

Normal consumers, didnt know what to think of the wii aside from a mild curiosity, there was no burning WHAT IS THIS NEW THING!?

Are you telling me that NO ONE was curious about how the wii worked? Curious about the "new thing"? Nobody bought it out of the novelty of the technology?

So all those morning tv shows with people playing Wii Sports were just a dream?

The line at E3 2005 was an hallucination? 

Virtual reality is doomed to failure as any kind of hobby technology, you know why? because it won't ever capture movement accurately enough.

Gameplay demands accuracy of movement, otherwise it is frustrating, and a game that is frustrating is not fun, hence no one likes it.

Your talking about a technology that has no good application or represantation in the military or Government, why would this technology be amazing for hobby but never done well in the military or Government (which would perfect it first).

All technology is first done in military and Government before consumers use it for everyday use.

oh great. Conspiracy theories. That´s all we need right now.

This is from a college student and from the UK.
The demographic and the location that have both been very biased against the Wii.

Nothing here -- move on.

Mike from Morgantown

Nintendo always have had and always will have their detractors. That's because they do things their own way, and will continue to do so.

Even if Wii has an amazing lineup next year (which I fully expect it to) there will still be articles and criticism coming from all the usual sources. I don't pay any attention to this kind of crap any more. As a student who spends most of his disposable income on videogames, I'm more than happy with my Wii.

Right now Wii detractors are 3rd parties, that dont make a single great wii game.

Wii has done quite well in the UK, though Wii has done well in pretty much every region that is traditionally less receptive to Nintendo (i.e., anywhere outside Japan), and has been underperforming in Japan of late

It's almost like opposite world

I have some hopes on MH3.

MH3 has good graphics to back it up. It its first selling point. It may have some heavy RPG gamplay traits on it, but the first thing that will grab consumers are its graphics.

But Muramasa was just too niche. Atlus cant complain if the game sell less than 300k. Its a 2d brawler hitting retail in the year 2009, on a system that was crafted for Motion Controls. You cant blame the consumer for pass it.

Well.. you kinda kill your own point with your arguments:

You see, the average consumer may have bought the wii as in impulse buy. But if there´s a new game with a undeniable appeal, they WILL BUY GAMES

Just like wii fit. Are you trying to say that there´s no almost 30 million balance boards sold because "average people dont buy games"?

And Wii Sports Resort? Almost 7mil at this moment 5 months after release, almost 10mil Motion Plus units sold

The average consumer buy games. But only good games. Only the cream of the crop. The average consumer dont want Muramasa

Which takes us to the point: No 3rd party has come CLOSE to the sucess of nintendo´s own software. Why is that? Because people thinks only Nintendo games will work with the wii? Lets not be stupid here: 3rd party wii games dont sell because most of them are AWFUL! The thin amount of nearly decent software that 3rd parties release from time to time is just not innovative or good enough to sell on the wii.

Unlike hardcore gamers, the average consumer isn't as likely, for instance, to buy sequels, they aren't as likely to buy story-driven games (which is actually a large majority of games, even action ones).

The average consumer wants the game to be fun, instantly, that is why the massive best-selling games are games that are simple, easily accessable, and fun (mario kart, nsmbw, wii sports, wii sports resort).

Games like Halo or Devil may cry etc, will never have this mass market appeal even if it was a perfect game.

Are you telling me that NO ONE was curious about how the wii worked? Curious about the "new thing"? Nobody bought it out of the novelty of the technology?

So all those morning tv shows with people playing Wii Sports were just a dream?

The line at E3 2005 was an hallucination?

Who goes to E3 2005? its certainly not the mass market, its hardcore gamers.

The only people who would buy it out of its 'novelty' are hardcore gamers who weren't biassed against nintendo, THE MASS MARKET CONSUMER NEVER BUYS THINGS OUT OF NOVELTY.

oh great. Conspiracy theories. That´s all we need right now.

Its the truth, virtual reality technology is not good enough, nor is it really that fun, part of interactivity is 'FEELING' and virtual reality removes that aspect.

The only thing that dissapointed me was that Lucasarts didn't even bother with a lightsaber game. I mean come on! Motion controlls.... Lightsabres..... Motion controls.....

And all they did was to go durrrrr PS2 port hurrrr durrrr

Unforgivable, it's one of my biggest dissapointments in gaming ever.