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PC controls are terrible. I despise using Keyboard + mouse. I'll admit that's because I suck with it but I bet most PC gamers suck with a controller.



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Point to where you want to click and use whatever keyboard setup you want. How hard can it be :D With a controller you are forced to use 1-3 different pre-set setups, aim with two (2) dual analog sticks and sometimes even shake and flip your controller over to do certain moves! Now thats just crazy! :D



Wow... the shear utter stupidity that this thread has is hilariously awful. Now I've been both a console gamer and a PC gamer for about as long as I can remember, so I'm gonna fill you in on some things I've noticed over the years.

PC:

PC has always been the highpoint of gaming since the early 90's, but that all kind of changed since more and more people are finding the convenience factor of consoles a pretty nice selling point. However, they fail to realize quite a few things.

1. Tech prices have dramatically fallen in comparison to back in the early 90's, where getting a good solid gaming PC is a hell of a lot cheaper then in those days due to technological advancements and far cheaper manufacturing processes.

2. A lot of people are turned off by PCs because of the "OMG VIRUS DOOM" bullshit. Well I'm going to inform you on a little trick of the hacking trade: EVERYTHING has security flaws. Making a virus for Windows is no different then making a virus for OS X or even BSD for that matter. Granted the language used to make the virus and the methods of exploiting security flaws is different for each OS, the concept is the same.

3. A lot of people are also turned off by the "complexity" of PCs. Funny thing is that learning how to properly maintain a PC is no different then learning how to maintain a fish tank or a Corvette. You're going to have to learn how to properly care for anything, so why are PCs so different?

4. The reason why PCs are so much more expensive because the components that make it all work have to be capable of doing more then just one dedicated task. Plus you're running a full fledged operating system on top of the games you're playing, so you're obviously going to need additional resources to run both the OS and games, as well as all the other programs you have running on top of those two.

5. If you buy a 6 grand Alienware then you're a dumbass. Building a PC is not hard at all, basically all you do is play Lego and match each part to it's spot. If it looks like it won't fit, then it obviously isn't gonna fit, nor work. Assembling a PC from spare parts is not only much cheaper, you can get exactly what you need instead of a generalized package.

Consoles:

The main selling point of Consoles is by far the price and convenience factors. While they don't exactly need the extra resources that PCs need, the games still need to be made on the PC because you can't exactly compile texture files and scripts on the console itself without it either catching fire or exploding, or perhaps both at the same time. The social factor for Consoles plays directly with it's convenience factor, because you don't need 4 Wii consoles with 4 copies of Brawl to play with your friends. But the problem with that is that not everyone has that kind of luxury because you know, life like to fuck up your plans once in a while. Now THAT'S where Online Multiplayer comes into play. Another huge problem that not many people realize that if you buy a PS3 and are playing it on an ancient 80's era CRT TV, you're not going to get the full benefit of the color depth it can produce. And seeing that may or may not be a major problem, you may have to go and buy yourself an expensive HDTV to get the full experience.

PC Vs. Console Multiplayer:

I'll start with Consoles first, because there's a lot more to cover then PCs. I'll start with a fun fact: The Sega Dreamcast was THE first console to support Online Multiplayer, but it didn't catch on due to the fact that back in 98 most of the US didn't have easy access to Broadband Internet. Another flaw with the Dreamcast is that Console Developers didn't really know how to utilize it properly because it was such a new concept, plus the service itself was pretty lackluster in comparison to other services (LIVE, PSN) that we have nowadays. Obviously Online Console gaming exploded with the original XBox Live, when people would say that the only reason they'd buy an original XBox was because of Halo and Live (Because remember, the original XBox launched for over half a grand). Why was that? Because they figured out how to pull it off right. Another contributing factor was that DSL was becoming more available to non-urban areas, but the fact that XBox Live was miles ahead of what Sony and what Sega offered before it got brutally slaughtered by the PS2 at the time. Now you have PSN and the second generaton of XBox Live as we know them.

PCs online Multiplayer's major selling point was always, and continues to be Dedicated Servers. Chances are that someone playing on XBox Live who happens to be the host of the match and his asshole brother is downloading some gangsta rap or some shit off of Limewire, his bandwidth that is being used to host the match is gonna take a major hit. And since he's hosting and has considerably less bandwidth that can be used, everyone else playing in the match feels it and then everyone bitches about lag. Another big key factor in the Dedicated Servers argument is dedicated bandwidth, so if the data center that's hosting the servers somehow gets shut down, you have solid bandwidth and some rare lag spikes. But client-side (being you), there are problems that can happen as well, but I'll let you be resourceful and Google that shit for yourself.

So in conclusion? Both have their merits and flaws. I know for a fact that all this is gonna spark a huge flame war, but oh well. All I did was attempt to bring a neutral perspective for each because I've personally used both for many a year.



STEKSTAV said:
Point to where you want to click and use whatever keyboard setup you want. How hard can it be :D With a controller you are forced to use 1-3 different pre-set setups, aim with two (2) dual analog sticks and sometimes even shake and flip your controller over to do certain moves! Now thats just crazy! :D

Nah the mouse is amazing, its the keyboard I hate. You have to bend your fingers awkwardly to reach every button it seems. I dunno maybe I just suck, I'm sure I'd get used to it though. 



You might just have it mapped weirdly, or it could just be the game in question, since some do have weird defaults.

But how, say Left 4 Dead has it by default works great (with some stuff moved over to the extra buttons on my mouse because I can).



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jefforange89 said:
You might just have it mapped weirdly, or it could just be the game in question, since some do have weird defaults.

But how, say Left 4 Dead has it by default works great (with some stuff moved over to the extra buttons on my mouse because I can).

Crouch as CTROl always annoyed the fuck out of me. I always set it to shift and walk to CTRL.



Tag(thx fkusumot) - "Yet again I completely fail to see your point..."

HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835

 

Keyboard + mouse dominates FPS and RTS.
However for sport games for example they are not that great and a controller is much better in that case..



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

Ail said:
Keyboard + mouse dominates FPS and RTS.
However for sport games for example they are not that great and a controller is much better in that case..

3D platforming elements and fighting games too, for the console I mean.



Tag(thx fkusumot) - "Yet again I completely fail to see your point..."

HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835

 

shio said:
Ail said:

 

DLC ain't free on the PC either, my Wow DLC cost me 14.99$ a month, and oh, I have to pay to play online !!!!!

And oh, it's only the most played game ever on the PC.....

 

If PC is so great why won't my Mass Effect runs on my rig when Wow runs perfectly...( and it's not like Wow is a small niche game..)

You say you're know about PC and PC games, but if you don't even know the reason why World of Warcraft (and any other big MMO) has a subscription-based model, you must be out of your mind.

And don't even compare the crappy DLC that consoles get with what PC games get. PC gamers get for free almost all DLC that console gamers pay for.

But let's talk about WoW. Despite the obvious reasons as to why it has subscriptions (servers costs) Blizzard also releases every month new content worth atleast $20 what you pay for DLC in console games. Then they also have the patience to make new events every month, like carnivals and festivities around holidays and such, again with even more new content. Then they keep releasing updates and patches in order to improve the game even more.

Do you see where your reasoning has gone wrong? $10 for 3 maps?! HAHA!

You know, about Mass Effect, illegal copies do tend to increase compatibility issues. Not accusing, but you don't seem to have Mass Effect in your profile.

Ail said:
What about stuff like Virus ?
Conveniently forgot to mention it eh ?
Or the fact that yeah PC have mods and steam but how many PC users actually use those ?
Heck, why the F*** would I use Steam to launch wow, none of the people I played wow with for 3 years ever did...
PSN and Xboxlive come out of the box...

You don't get viruses from games. When a PC gets a virus, it's usually the fault of the user because he went to places he shouldn't have gone to.

A huge amount of PC gamers install mods. I don't know a single PC gamer that has never played a mod or custom map, to my knowledge.

Dude, skype, teamspeak, msn, aim, meebo, steam, etc... pick your damn poison.

PSN and Xboxlive are crap compared to Steam.

Serious_frusting said:
Last i checked the PS3 had better games then the PC released and to be released in the future

No, it doesn't. But that's subjective.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah like online communities and site were you download mods..

The most frequent place to pick up a keylogger in Wow is those same sites were most wow users download their mods...

 

My ME copy is legit thank you very much, I still have the retail box , I do not pirate unlike you.

And no need to try to teach me about Wow, I was playing mmorpg while you were still wearing diapers and played Wow miuch more than you ever will.....( not even gonna mention Muds you probably don't know what those are...)

I'm not saying Wow isn't worth the price, but stop trying to say Blizzard releases new content every month.

Wrath of the Lich King is 12 months old, there have been exactly 2 content updates in that time ( Ulduar and the Coliseum).

 

Heck stop acting like you are a PC god because you played PC a whole 5-6 years at most, some of us have been on the PC for a lot longer .



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

PC is not retard-friendly, that's a huge point down for Americans in general because most Americans are in fact, lazy retards, who are incapable of running a system for more than a few months without fucking their machines up. Therefore, consoles are better for these people with the intelligence of deer running around on the highways of this country. Also, I need consoles for JRPGs. ^^b