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Soulxxx, how old are you ? you are young dont' you ? There 2 things that i have noticed about your posts : 1) You keep saying you focus on "facts" but fail to see how your reasonnings are subjective ... 2) You often talk about things you don't know or have not tested. In disorder : - Comparing console version of Oblivion to the PC's one ... What can i say ? My two current displays are a 22'' LCD monitor and a 720p videoprojector. On both, there is a world between Xbox360's version and PC one. Before you mention that PS3 version is superior to Xbox360's, i saw 720p in game video from it, and it is definitely in the same range than Xbox360, even if superior. - Upon Wiimote to eyetoy comparison : you cannot compare a pad that comes within the box to an "accessory" sold outside if you want to look at the support of the developers. What pushes this support is install basis, not anything else. - About Wiisport : my wife, son ,and I have enjoyed to date more than 50 hours of play just on tennis. To date, we have stopped just because we get bored and await for a real tennis gameplay. Look how Virtua tennis 3 bombed in Japan ... With all its super graphics, shading and high resolution, the public have choosen, don't you think ? Note that i don't this logic can be applied to all "genres" ... - About Next-gen : your definition of "next-gen" is funny. - I don't say PS3 won't be worth buying a day, but today, this is not my choice. If you factorise the cost of the display, this is a no brainer. Let me list : + BR content : are the 100 dics actually sold enough to spend 600€ + Games : no AAA title in sight + Cost of 720p or 1080p display today + BR Drive : by end of year, this drive will be called "super low level BR Drive". Look what happened to PS2 DVD Drive ...



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oli2 said: Soulxxx, how old are you ? you are young dont' you ?
Actually if you are an "old-guy" and you've started like this... there must be something wrong with you.



Soulxxx said: Vienna, So you're just lucky, I see... ...And you don't play games on your PC yet you put out this big arguement that if you want to play a good looking game you have a PC for it. That's... weird. Cause it's like your saying "I don't want good looking games, I prefer games that have a poor lasting appeal and play them with my Wiimote". That's hardly next-gen...
...But just because the games aren't graphical, as long as their innovative are very fun. I prefer playing Civilization 2 over Civ 3. Civ 3 is more graphical, but I feel 2 has more intuitive gameplay. I play Chrono Trigger over FFVII due to a (IMO) better storyline. By saying Wii games have poor lasting appeal proves your ignorant. The control device doesn't change a games gameplay one bit. Zelda TP wasn't reduced it size due to the device. The mouse being used in tons of games never changed their replay value - neither will the Wiimote.
Buying a regular TV is the stupidest thing you can do ATM. If you buy a HD one (Not necessarily 46 inch..) you're at least opening up the possibility to ever own a PS3 and play games like you SHOULD play them. Or even get a 360 (Though not entirely HD). It's not like if you buy a HD tv you won't be able to play your Wii on it... ("Play your Wii on it" suddenly sounds so dirty.. lol)
Buying an HDTV doesn't open you up to a PS3 - it's only the other way around. I want an HDTV because of my 360. A normal person didn't think "oh, DVDs are out, I must buy a PS2!" I know many people that have HDTVs and don't care about video games in the least, nor the PS3s blu-ray ability. Just because the PS3 has Blu-Ray means nothing even if many HDTV owners minds, as it's still a gaming system that has the ability to play disks. And if it's anything like the PS2-DVD drive, I want nothing to do with it. Also, buying an SDTV is still a decent idea. Why? I can get a TV with twice the size for half the price. I'm not saying I'd want that, but if I didn't have the cash, I would. Thats kind of like saying "the PS3 has more power, you should buy it merely based on power" when some consumers don't really care. HDTV penetration at the rate of purchase has just finally overtaken SDTV sales. This shows that HDTV is only now slightly ready for the mainstream marketplace - and won't truely get to the point it needs to until a 32" HDTV is under $449 readily available.
The Wiimote is comparable with the Eyetoy indeed.. for the sole reason that they are a fad. People bought the Eyetoy, played with it, loved it, and forgot about it after 3 months of playing it. The same will happen with the Wiimote, people will be fed up from aiming at the screen moving their hands all around unless they have some good looking games.
I compare the Mouse to the Wiimote - theres a HUGE world of difference between an accessory and an integral part of the gaming hardware. Not everyone likes a mouse, but many still will have to use them for things. Using a mouse in RTS point-and-click games gets VERY annoying, but it still allows for a new way to play that makes me enjoy the mouse, regardless of the price I pay for it.
A guy plays Wiisports. 20 minutes in "This is fun!" 1 hour in "My hand hurts" 2 hours in the frustration begins "Stupid ball I wanted you to go there!! Not there! THERE!! AHHH!!", tears his hair and throws his nunchuk on the TV. Only the true fans will keep playing it but even they won't be able to endure the boredom that comes after 3 hours of the life-like bowling, arm killing boxing and whatever else you got on there.
And how much have you played with a Wiimote? Also, have you played a PC game that uses alot of mouse movement for 3+hrs? You get used to it! Also, in the consumers eye, I haven't seen much negative press on the Wiimote itself. It's been overwhelmingly positive. Therefore, its not entirely a fad. It might not be the thing every system has in 5 years, but its a very important part nontheless.



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I refuse to believe Soulxxx is being serious in any of his comments. Bottom line: Its absurd to say PS3 is "winning" the next-gen console race when it is neither the highest selling console, nor the fastest selling console. The fact that it had the second best launch of the generation is little consolation when in Febuary in NA, its was the SEVENTH best-selling hardware of the month, literally behind EVERYTHING being actively supported... That's just sad, and it doesn't get better from here just due to graphics.



"[Our former customers] are unable to find software which they WANT to play."
"The way to solve this problem lies in how to communicate what kind of games [they CAN play]."

Satoru Iwata, Nintendo President. Only slightly paraphrased.

Soulxxx said: vanguardian1 The PC version beating the PS3 version? I dunno.. I take it you're a PC gamer that bought a Wii for fun games. Understandable. But while you be buying new parts for your PC, I'm gonna enjoy my PS3 games that will ALWAYS run smoothly... elprincipe, A) I'm no Wii detractor. I don't detract it, I say what it is. It's not like I said "The Wii won't supply the fun you want!" I'm saying it won't give you enough of it to keep you going for 2 years. B) Sorry, but I don't think waving your arms around is a more realistic way of playing games then good graphics. It may be so for the first 3 hours of every game for 2 years, but in no way it beats better visuals in terms of realism. If the Wii had better graphics, I might call it a winner... but it doesn't so the Wiimote is pretty much useless in it's ultimate goal - make gameplay more fun than other consoles. I gotta go.. It's been fun talking to ya (despite what you probably think of me now) and I think I need to quit now before I lure in some potential killers... lol
I have one more question if you start to like the way the Wii mote controlls a game why can't it last for more than 2 years? Example fps, I am really bad using a second analog stick so for me if the wiimote works I think I would love to play more fps in the future on the Wii. So far I haven't bought a Wii so I can't say that it is so. Now I would rather play Fightnight with Wii controls and bad graphics than I would play with a regular controller and the best graphics in the world. It is simple like this: Just because you don't like a controll model it doesn't mean that nobody like it. Something I might point out is that I aren't after realism, if I were I would have played the sports myself. I want fun! If this comes in terms of pretty graphics or a new controller I don't know. But so far people seem to think that Wii sport is really fun. What could happen with a deaper game like Virtua Tennis comes to Wii? So bottom line is: Even if you think Graphics is everything their is some of us that don't think that. Looking at the Japanse charts I would say that there is at least 1,2 million japanse that agrees with me (Wii Sport sold). For me, Wii, xbox360 and PS3 is next gen because the deliver something new to the gaiming scen. EDIT: Forgott to say that no it doesn't matter if PS3 is selling more than xbox360 did one year ago, when xbox360 now is selling more. Even more important Wii is selling more too.



 

 

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Soulxxx said: I know DMC4 isn't exclusive. DMC's fan base isn't big enough to kill the PS3, and some fans of DMC will still buy it for the PS3, however there will be some who would "desert" it for the 360. But I can safely predict that the majority will stick with the PS3 because of God of War 3, being a similiar title and a 1st party game. So they know they won't be able to get it on the 360.. Never. And the PS3 is the one doing the outselling. The gap will only close in the end, when PS3 keeps selling games. (Just a reflection of the past [PS2 vs Xbox, anyone?]) Didn't you read the topic? In the first 4 months, PS3 sold more, plus it's main launch game sold more than the 360 main launch game. That's is only a sample of things to come. Just as gears of war created that big spike in the 360's monthly sales in christmas, you're gonna have more than one game that does the same thing and not necessarily in christmas, and I mentioned these games in my last post. BR vs HDDVD is just a way of saying which games will rule in the future. When you have 50 gigs on one and only 9 in the other, you can pretty much guess what games will look better in the end.
1. DMC is just more to come. Sony will only be able to keep the 1st/2nd party games. The rest will come to 360/Wii. More likely 360. 2. PS3 was killed by 360 in Nov/Dec. It was beat in Jan. The only place PS3 is, and probably will continue, to beat the 360 is Japan. It will take a few months to really see which one will do better in EU. March will NOT be a good indicator as that is the launch. 3. BR and HDDVD are useless for games. They don't need anywhere near that amount of disc space. All you are going to have is tons of empty space on a BR disc for Sony. MS was smarter to use regular DVD's as the DVD9 spec is perfectly suitable for any game. HD visuals or not. The code just doesn't require that much space. Look at the most massive and beautiful games on a pc. None are on more than one DVD. Also, earlier you mentioned that BR is better than HDDVD in all aspects. Yeah, the only difference, for a consumer, is space. For a ip owner then the BR is supposedly more secure, but that is yet to be seen. For more info http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu_Ray_Vs._HD-DVD



Soulxxx said: vanguardian1 The PC version beating the PS3 version? I dunno.. I take it you're a PC gamer that bought a Wii for fun games. Understandable. But while you be buying new parts for your PC, I'm gonna enjoy my PS3 games that will ALWAYS run smoothly... elprincipe, A) I'm no Wii detractor. I don't detract it, I say what it is. It's not like I said "The Wii won't supply the fun you want!" I'm saying it won't give you enough of it to keep you going for 2 years. B) Sorry, but I don't think waving your arms around is a more realistic way of playing games then good graphics. It may be so for the first 3 hours of every game for 2 years, but in no way it beats better visuals in terms of realism. If the Wii had better graphics, I might call it a winner... but it doesn't so the Wiimote is pretty much useless in it's ultimate goal - make gameplay more fun than other consoles. I gotta go.. It's been fun talking to ya (despite what you probably think of me now) and I think I need to quit now before I lure in some potential killers... lol
Although I'm an all around gamer, I actually buy the fewest games on PC anymore, but if I had to chose, I'd still give up my consoles before my PC, I personally would lose far more if I were to give up my PC. And if something goes wrong with it, I can fix it myself. :) I have a ton of games that I'll never find on consoles installed on here like Civilization 4, Homeworld, and Total Annihilation (I'm waiting for Supreme Commander to fix a few more things) along with a few games that are, like Oblivion, Thief 3 and Unreal Tournament, and I'll gladly take a keyboard/mouse over a gamepad for these games anyday of the week. To me, consoles have their place, but replacing the PC is ridiculous. Outside of Metroid Prime, I've never enjoyed a FPS with a controller, it's a poor control scheme IMHO. After playing Zelda : Twilight Princess on the Wii-mote, I have no reason to use a gamecube controller for it, I *PERSONALLY* am far more effective with it in every aspect, especially swordplay. I died more in Windwaker than I did in Twilight Princess. ;) And as for Red Steel, my accuracy was far superior than anything I'd ever get with a conventional gamepad. This is of course my own experience, YMMV.



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mrstickball said: Also, buying an SDTV is still a decent idea. Why? I can get a TV with twice the size for half the price. I'm not saying I'd want that, but if I didn't have the cash, I would. Thats kind of like saying "the PS3 has more power, you should buy it merely based on power" when some consumers don't really care. HDTV penetration at the rate of purchase has just finally overtaken SDTV sales. This shows that HDTV is only now slightly ready for the mainstream marketplace - and won't truely get to the point it needs to until a 32" HDTV is under $449 readily available. might not be the thing every system has in 5 years, but its a very important part nontheless.
In fact even if you have the money it is not as easy to advice against an SDTV. Especially cheaper HD Displays have sometimes very bad scalers that somketimes don't even even interpolate correctly from interlaced to progressive images, and their scalers... leave a lot to be desired. And their color space is rather limited compared to the good old CRTs. And even when you switch to HD Displays (better CRTs simply vanished from the market) I am not really sure if all plays for HD. I don't really think, that the DVD really won due to its better quality alone. It simply had a lot of convenient features and this package was one of its reasons (together with the ability of the playeras to play VCD, SVCD and later DivX). I am not sure if the HD DVD or BluRay will really win the market. I am not even sure if the movie industry really want to kill the DVD anymore. The copy protection of the HD DEiscs has its limits while the price of DVDs is so low that it has no longer such a big need for a strong copy protection. It is simplyx more convenient. There would be a very strong reason for expensive HD Discs (if HD DVD or BluRay does not matter) for enthusiasts and cheaper DVDs for the normal market. Together they will probably earn more money than a HD format with lower prices to reach more customers. Although Toshiba and Sony wouldn't like it I think that this scenario would have its advantages for the industy and customers. And for the console markte: The Wii has its market. And while Microsoft Managers might kick themselves that they missed such a good oportunity I don't even think that the Xbox 360 and Wii are very hard competitors. I think the Xbox 360 was mainly designed to catch PC drop outs. People who don't want to upgrade their PCs all the time. The Xbox has it advantage with better images and perhaps the possibility to still play with their friends online that have a a PC. The Wii on the other hand is cheaper and much more convenient when you play with other people in your room. But the concept of the PS-3 bothers me a bit. A console simply has no chance to win against a PC in the long run if you look at processor power. In the first 2 years they can compete with PCs but then they fall behind. A console is mainly cheaper ad programs can be better adapted to the hardware (for a PC impossible). I think the reason for the cell has less to do with a big concept, but other factors. In a way its concept looks a bit like the the idea behind the Emotiuon Engine of the PS-2 and it's pure benchmark power is overwhelming. And BluRay: I don't know who gave Sony the impression that the PS-2 established the DVD. In the USA and Europe the format was already running when the PS-2 reached the market and later cheaper players with VCD and SVCD capabilities gave it the push for the normal market. If you don't watch many DVDs a PS-2 is sufficient but I don't know anybody who bought a PS-2 to watch movies! But I know several people who only bought a PS-3 simply as a BluRay player while at least in my opinion a Wii might be better suited for their taste in games.. I don't have problems with people who don't agree with me but I don't really get the idea behind the PS-3.



No need to even compare it to Eyetoy. Zapper light gun, ROB, Power Pad, U-Force, Power Glove. Lots of initial buzz that died quickly. I don't believe Nintendo will abandon this like it did those, but there is potential for the features to be just an afterthought in many games.



Geez, Kwaad get banned, and SoulXXX shows up the next day. Same posting style, same viewpoints. Convenient. Edit - After viewing more posts, ill be more blunt. Kwaad re-registered as SoulXXX