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Avinash_Tyagi on 22 October 2009
dorbin2009 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:

Third parties just don't get it, Wii gamers like quality, we have Nintendo, so all that stuff that PS360 fans are willing to stomach just won't fly on the Wii, you want to sell on the Wii you have to be as good or better than Nintendo, you have to bring the fun


That is an absolutely retarded way of thinking.

No its the correct way of thinking, why aren't these companies coming out with games that absolutely destroy Nintendo games in terms of quality?

 

Until they do they'll just get flops



 

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Cross-X on 22 October 2009
Avinash_Tyagi said:
dorbin2009 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:

Third parties just don't get it, Wii gamers like quality, we have Nintendo, so all that stuff that PS360 fans are willing to stomach just won't fly on the Wii, you want to sell on the Wii you have to be as good or better than Nintendo, you have to bring the fun


That is an absolutely retarded way of thinking.

No its the correct way of thinking, why aren't these companies coming out with games that absolutely destroy Nintendo games in terms of quality?

 

Until they do they'll just get flops

Because the PS3 and 360 are able to deliver the quality the companies want and the Wii doesn't??

Just take EA as an example. They'd rather push for Mass Effect 2 for 360 and PC than a spin off Dead Space for the Wii. I mean, look at the quality Mass Effect 2 is trying to deliver. Can't wait to play on PC. Mass Effect would've not had been successful if it was an Wii exclusive. Can you imagine what Mass Effect would've looked like if it was on the Wii? And why don't you think that Crytek would want to release Crysis 2 for PS3, 360 and PC and not the Wii? Coz the Wii can't deliver the same quality as those three gaming machines.

And yeh I agree with ya. If companies don't deliver the quality in their Wii games other than Nintendo, then there's a greater chance of it becoming a flop.



--OkeyDokey-- on 22 October 2009
Avinash_Tyagi said:

Third parties just don't get it, Wii gamers like quality.

I'm sorry, which list of Wii million sellers are you looking at? It can't be the same one I've got here o_o



Hephaestos on 22 October 2009

all that and...

the brand name is from an HD game... why should it sell on wii?




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Darc Requiem on 22 October 2009

Once they announced that the game was a rail shooter the interest level in the game bottomed out.



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kingofwale on 22 October 2009

I get it when people say it's ON RAIL game. I really do.

but how do you explain the failure of The Conduit? The game is hyped as AAA title by MANY MANY people here (Please, if you did, just admit it), and frankly, I can easily pull up many threads here with people predicting 2+ million LTD sales figure.

I think the better question is... who here said they would buy this game FIRST-DAY and didn't..

and frankly, why not? the game is no AAA, but it's far better than 90% of other Wii games out there.



Soriku (Feb 10/08): In 5 years the PS3/360 will be dead.

KH3 bet: "If KH3 comes to Wii exclusive, I will take a 1 month of sig/avatar by otheres open a thread apologize and praise you guys' brilliance." http://vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?start=50&id=18379
Original cast: Badonkadonkhr, sc94597 allaboutthegames885, kingofwale, Soriku, ctk495, skeezer, RDBRaptor, Mirson,

Episode 1: OOPSY!
selnor: Too Human I even expect 3-4 mill entire life and 500,000 first day. GoW2 ( expect 7 - 9 million entire life and over 2 mill first day), Fable 2 (expect 5-6 million entire life and 1.5 mill fist day) BK3 (expect 4 - 5 mill sales entire life and 1 mill first day).. Tales/IU/TLR should get to 2 or 3 million! post id: 868878
Episode 2:
Letsdance: FFXIII (PS3+360) first week in NA = 286K
According to pre-order rate in week 13 (post id: 2902544)
hsrob on 22 October 2009
kingofwale said:
I get it when people say it's ON RAIL game. I really do.

but how do you explain the failure of The Conduit? The game is hyped as AAA title by MANY MANY people here (Please, if you did, just admit it), and frankly, I can easily pull up many threads here with people predicting 2+ million LTD sales figure.

I think the better question is... who here said they would buy this game FIRST-DAY and didn't..

and frankly, why not? the game is no AAA, but it's far better than 90% of other Wii games out there.

One can't argue against the general quality of games on the Wii using Metacritic and then turn around and ignore it when they are trying to make an argument about "quality" core games that don't sell on the Wii.

If your statement is made based on your own personal impressions of the game, then fair enough (this comment isn't really directed at you) but currently, according to Metacritic, there are 190 games rated higher than The Conduit.  It was hyped as being a potentially AAA game but it clearly fell significantly short in the eyes of most critics and among people who vote with their wallets.

 



amp316 on 22 October 2009
kingofwale said:
I get it when people say it's ON RAIL game. I really do.

but how do you explain the failure of The Conduit? The game is hyped as AAA title by MANY MANY people here (Please, if you did, just admit it), and frankly, I can easily pull up many threads here with people predicting 2+ million LTD sales figure.

I think the better question is... who here said they would buy this game FIRST-DAY and didn't..

and frankly, why not? the game is no AAA, but it's far better than 90% of other Wii games out there.

It's because there are several on-rails games on the Wii.  People that want a good lightgun game for the Wii most likely already have one.

I wrote an entire thread explaining the failures of the Conduit.  It's called "Why The Conduit Bombed!!!"  Dig it up if you want to.  I actually did buy that game when it came out so you can't fault me.  I don't know about 90% of Wii games being better than it though.   Great controls, good graphics, and average everything else.



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senseinobaka on 22 October 2009
Avinash_Tyagi said:

Third parties just don't get it, Wii gamers like quality, we have Nintendo, so all that stuff that PS360 fans are willing to stomach just won't fly on the Wii, you want to sell on the Wii you have to be as good or better than Nintendo, you have to bring the fun

this quote is amazing...i might have to put it in my siq!



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kingofwale on 22 October 2009
hsrob said:
kingofwale said:
I get it when people say it's ON RAIL game. I really do.

but how do you explain the failure of The Conduit? The game is hyped as AAA title by MANY MANY people here (Please, if you did, just admit it), and frankly, I can easily pull up many threads here with people predicting 2+ million LTD sales figure.

I think the better question is... who here said they would buy this game FIRST-DAY and didn't..

and frankly, why not? the game is no AAA, but it's far better than 90% of other Wii games out there.

One can't argue against the general quality of games on the Wii using Metacritic and then turn around and ignore it when they are trying to make an argument about "quality" core games that don't sell on the Wii.

If your statement is made based on your own personal impressions of the game, then fair enough (this comment isn't really directed at you) but currently, according to Metacritic, there are 190 games rated higher than The Conduit.  It was hyped as being a potentially AAA game but it clearly fell significantly short in the eyes of most critics and among people who vote with their wallets.

 

http://www.industrygamers.com/news/the-divnich-debrief-37-of-wii-games-unreviewed/

 

stated that close to 40% of wii games are not even reviewed, and we all know only trash games go unreviewed. that would put the total amount of Wii games in around 1000, making The Conduit top 20%.

to me, Conduit = Haze

 

Both excuses, both Hailed as AAA, both highly hyped... Funny enough, Haze sold 3 times as well, in a much smaller userbase.



Soriku (Feb 10/08): In 5 years the PS3/360 will be dead.

KH3 bet: "If KH3 comes to Wii exclusive, I will take a 1 month of sig/avatar by otheres open a thread apologize and praise you guys' brilliance." http://vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?start=50&id=18379
Original cast: Badonkadonkhr, sc94597 allaboutthegames885, kingofwale, Soriku, ctk495, skeezer, RDBRaptor, Mirson,

Episode 1: OOPSY!
selnor: Too Human I even expect 3-4 mill entire life and 500,000 first day. GoW2 ( expect 7 - 9 million entire life and over 2 mill first day), Fable 2 (expect 5-6 million entire life and 1.5 mill fist day) BK3 (expect 4 - 5 mill sales entire life and 1 mill first day).. Tales/IU/TLR should get to 2 or 3 million! post id: 868878
Episode 2:
Letsdance: FFXIII (PS3+360) first week in NA = 286K
According to pre-order rate in week 13 (post id: 2902544)