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Forums - Sales Discussion - Dead Space Extraction is a MAJOR flop - we need to talk about it

The Ghost of RubangB on 22 October 2009
BMaker11 said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:
Why did you put "we need to talk about it" in your thread title? There's a million other threads about it, and we're all pretty much in agreement that nobody cares about this game, its lack of marketing (it's just a test), its lack of effort (it's just a test), its lack of sales, its lack of quality, or its lack of fans. Nobody cares and nobody likes it. We really don't need to talk about it. Anymore.

Nobody cared?

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=87763

Explain, please.

Lack of quality and effort?

http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/wii/deadspaceextraction

Explain, please

Explanation 1: A couple people care.  Not enough for anybody else to care.  Let those 5 or so people enjoy their game.  But it costs too much.

Explanation 2: Metacritic is STUPID, and a horrible way to judge quality.  It is an aggregate of reviews from a very narrow population of gamers.  Nobody who writes at Metacritic is a friend of mine whose tastes I trust, so I really don't care what they have to say about any games that I like or dislike, and the only time I ever hear of the web site is when people on the internet use it to troll the Wii.

Or do you honestly believe the 3 greatest games of all time are Ocarina of Time (1998), Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2 (2000), and Soul Calibur (1999)?  If you agree with that 100%, by all means, use Metacritic in all your arguments.  Your tastes and Metacritic's scores are perfectly in alignment.  For me, none of those games would make my top 20, so the use of Metacritic in arguments is completely absurd.

And by "lack of effort" I mean "on-rails" and "calling it a test."  They really didn't care about the game, gave it no marketing, and sent it out to die.



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Barozi on 22 October 2009
The Ghost of RubangB said:
BMaker11 said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:
Why did you put "we need to talk about it" in your thread title? There's a million other threads about it, and we're all pretty much in agreement that nobody cares about this game, its lack of marketing (it's just a test), its lack of effort (it's just a test), its lack of sales, its lack of quality, or its lack of fans. Nobody cares and nobody likes it. We really don't need to talk about it. Anymore.

Nobody cared?

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=87763

Explain, please.

Lack of quality and effort?

http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/wii/deadspaceextraction

Explain, please

Explanation 1: A couple people care.  Not enough for anybody else to care.  Let those 5 or so people enjoy their game.  But it costs too much.

Explanation 2: Metacritic is STUPID, and a horrible way to judge quality.  It is an aggregate of reviews from a very narrow population of gamers.  Nobody who writes at Metacritic is a friend of mine whose tastes I trust, so I really don't care what they have to say about any games that I like or dislike, and the only time I ever hear of the web site is when people on the internet use it to troll the Wii.

Or do you honestly believe the 3 greatest games of all time are Ocarina of Time (1998), Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2 (2000), and Soul Calibur (1999)?  If you agree with that 100%, by all means, use Metacritic in all your arguments.  Your tastes and Metacritic's scores are perfectly in alignment.  For me, none of those games would make my top 20, so the use of Metacritic in arguments is completely absurd.

And by "lack of effort" I mean "on-rails" and "calling it a test."  They really didn't care about the game, gave it no marketing, and sent it out to die.

No, no. YOU think it's a stupid way to judge quality.

You just don't understand how to interpret the numbers. That's all.



The Ghost of RubangB on 22 October 2009
Barozi said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:
BMaker11 said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:
Why did you put "we need to talk about it" in your thread title? There's a million other threads about it, and we're all pretty much in agreement that nobody cares about this game, its lack of marketing (it's just a test), its lack of effort (it's just a test), its lack of sales, its lack of quality, or its lack of fans. Nobody cares and nobody likes it. We really don't need to talk about it. Anymore.

Nobody cared?

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=87763

Explain, please.

Lack of quality and effort?

http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/wii/deadspaceextraction

Explain, please

Explanation 1: A couple people care.  Not enough for anybody else to care.  Let those 5 or so people enjoy their game.  But it costs too much.

Explanation 2: Metacritic is STUPID, and a horrible way to judge quality.  It is an aggregate of reviews from a very narrow population of gamers.  Nobody who writes at Metacritic is a friend of mine whose tastes I trust, so I really don't care what they have to say about any games that I like or dislike, and the only time I ever hear of the web site is when people on the internet use it to troll the Wii.

Or do you honestly believe the 3 greatest games of all time are Ocarina of Time (1998), Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2 (2000), and Soul Calibur (1999)?  If you agree with that 100%, by all means, use Metacritic in all your arguments.  Your tastes and Metacritic's scores are perfectly in alignment.  For me, none of those games would make my top 20, so the use of Metacritic in arguments is completely absurd.

And by "lack of effort" I mean "on-rails" and "calling it a test."  They really didn't care about the game, gave it no marketing, and sent it out to die.

No, no. YOU think it's a stupid way to judge quality.

You just don't understand how to interpret the numbers. That's all.

With my limited understanding, big numbers is good and small numbers is bad.  That's as far as my logic goes.

Please enlighten me, and explain how to interpret the numbers other than that, so I can understand why Metacritic is actually a reliable way to judge how much fun I'm having when I play my favorite games.



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flagstaad on 22 October 2009

I buy "hardcore" games for the Wii all the time. But I learned that on-rails shooters can be great but they are usually short games.

I read the reviews and I am gonna buy it for sure, just not for 50 bucks, when it hits 30 (my sweet spot for this kind of games) it's going to my collection.

I know that a lot of Wii owners are in the same position as me. This type of games can be great fun but you don't pay 50 dollars for them.



Orca_Azure on 22 October 2009

Games on rails take a train ride to flopville. That's how it's always been



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forest-spirit on 22 October 2009

Hm, I think there are more people discussing the sales of DSE than there is people playing it...

Why are so many non-Wii gamers whining about DSE? Unless you bought the game why care so damn much about it? If you think it's a game that deserves more attention and better sales, then buy it yourselves it or shut up...for devil's sake...



noname2200 on 22 October 2009
Orca_Azure said:
Games on rails take a train ride to flopville. That's how it's always been

Actually, that's not true at all. Ghost Squad and HotD 2+3 Return evidently did very, VERY well. Umbrella Chronicles sold roughly double what Capcom expected. Overkill has turned a profit already, and presumably it continues to do so. I'll be surprised if DC doesn't do well too, albeit not as well as UC. The only light-gun games I can think of this generation that flopped are Dead Space, The Mad Dog game, and Time Crisis 4.



The Ghost of RubangB on 22 October 2009

Hey guys, this is really important. There's something we really need to talk about. There was this game Dead Space, on the PS3 and 360, and it almost made money, but they spent all the money on making a cartoon and tons of commercials, so they weren't happy with the sales. It's the Wii's fault that Dead Space isn't a profitable franchise on any system.



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ShadowSoldier on 22 October 2009

Uh-huh and when Metacritic gives out stellar awards to Wii games I guess it's not stupid then?



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forest-spirit on 22 October 2009
The Ghost of RubangB said:
Hey guys, this is really important. There's something we really need to talk about. There was this game Dead Space, on the PS3 and 360, and it almost made money, but they spent all the money on making a cartoon and tons of commercials, so they weren't happy with the sales. It's the Wii's fault that Dead Space isn't a profitable franchise on any system.

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