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demon123 said:

 

MGS 4

Killzone 2

Uncharted 2

Upcoming:

Heavy Rain

Gran Turismo

God of War

I have yet to play or seen any game on other consoles that has better graphics than these exclusives. Do you disagree?

No. Games like Gears 1 & 2, Mass Effect 1 & 2, Halo 3, Assassin's Creed, Forza 3, Alan Wake, Splinter Cell Conviction, etc.. are all games that are  comparible. UC2 does have some scenes that are very, very good, but other parts of the game don't look any better then what's on the XBox 360. It's kind of a mix bag. Killzone 2 doesn't look much better then Gears 2 to me. There are PC games that easily look better overall.



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Reasonable said:
libellule said:
Reasonable said:
Badassbab said:
I don't think Forza 3 is really amazing visually. I mean don't get me wrong it looks great and all and runs very smoothly but it was cleary rushed out for Xmas time (less than 2GB used on second disc) but luckily Turn 10 did the smart thing and concentrate on the gameplay side of things (expanded livery editor, online play, kept it at 360hz physics).

About screen tearing, I must go back and play Gears again as I didn't notice much but I've seen a few on the Uncharted 2 vids. I know the first Uncharted had a lot.

Both Gears had some screen tearing and a lot of texture pop-in.  Uncharted has less pop-in but some as well as tearing (not much but it was there, around Gears levels I'd say but slightly more noticable due to the colour palette).  Uncharted 2 has no tearing I've seen but probably a little.  Digital Foundry has a very good analysis on Uncharted 2 tech explaining all the clever stuff ND did to prevent it.  Technically, and most true technical analysis I've seen have backed this, I'd say Uncharted at the time just piped Gears and now Uncharted 2 outperforms Gears 2 by a slightly higher margin.

Forza 3 isn't totally amazing visually I agree, I just mean it's a rare example of a truly custom engine and it can be seen that in principle it delivers strong visuals as a result .

What I find a lot of people miss is that while the console is important in terms of its basic specs, it's the game engine and coding that makes more of a difference, and the PS3 has simply had more custom engines vs 360 (so far as I'm aware).  The 360 though is easier to develop for, particularly for developers with PC background.

I remember on Uncharted there was an interesting 'making of' video where ND explained how many techniques they had to learn for PS3 vs PS2, many of which of course developers like Epic would already have been familiar with as they would have already been using them on PC.

So in some ways 360 has had a developer skillset advantage for graphically intense games, and a good SDK, while PS3 has had an advantage in terms of custom engines.

Both consoles, IMHO, have proven their worth graphically with many great titles.  Although of course, not as much as my PC has!

your posts are insane man, you have my respect !

Thanks.  I've always thought my posts were a little 'dry' so I'll happily accept 'insane' as a complement!


Yes, that was a good post Reasonable. Very well written and summarized. For the most part, I agree with most of it.



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XanderZane said:

No. Games like Gears 1 & 2, Mass Effect 1 & 2, Halo 3, Assassin's Creed, Forza 3, Alan Wake, Splinter Cell Conviction, etc.. are all games that are  comparible. UC2 does have some scenes that are very, very good, but other parts of the game don't look any better then what's on the XBox 360. It's kind of a mix bag. Killzone 2 doesn't look much better then Gears 2 to me. There are PC games that easily look better overall.

quoted for the bs.

No they arent comparible, not to Uncharted 2 sorry. 

They game destroys everything else, and iam talking PS3 exclusives like K2 MGS4 Ratchet it spanks those games brutally. No game looks even remotly as good as UC2 on my tv.  Though its my fault when you go big and high end tv you will see more game flaws they you normally would.

U2 is the only one where i have not a single complaint, not one complaint with any graphic visual art technigue whatever the hell you want to call it.

 

 



Uncharted was the first next-gen game on PS3 with the WOW efect (on my 46' Bravia that made me to admit "this is really the next-gen experiance I was hoping for"

And I am preety sure that the Uncharted 2 will be the right successor!!! )



LF-A said:
XanderZane said:
 

No. Games like Gears 1 & 2, Mass Effect 1 & 2, Halo 3, Assassin's Creed, Forza 3, Alan Wake, Splinter Cell Conviction, etc.. are all games that are  comparible. UC2 does have some scenes that are very, very good, but other parts of the game don't look any better then what's on the XBox 360. It's kind of a mix bag. Killzone 2 doesn't look much better then Gears 2 to me. There are PC games that easily look better overall.

quoted for the bs.

No they arent comparible, not to Uncharted 2 sorry. 

They game destroys everything else, and iam talking PS3 exclusives like K2 MGS4 Ratchet it spanks those games brutally. No game looks even remotly as good as UC2 on my tv.  Though its my fault when you go big and high end tv you will see more game flaws they you normally would.

U2 is the only one where i have not a single complaint, not one complaint with any graphic visual art technigue whatever the hell you want to call it.

 

 

Yeah, i also have a 92 inches screen, totally agree with you in the fact that bigger it is, bigger is the difference.



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Muff3210 said:
Uncharted was the first next-gen game on PS3 with the WOW efect (on my 46' Bravia that made me to admit "this is really the next-gen experiance I was hoping for"

And I am preety sure that the Uncharted 2 will be the right successor!!! )


I also feel the same way, since the start of this current gen I didnt find there was a BIG difference with the past gen. But this opinion changed by playing Uncharted 2. Its not only a bit better then the other PS3 or Xbox exclusive, its a lot better, technically and graphically.

Between, for xbox fanboy, you need to play it, its way better in action then on picture.



The PS3 is hard to develop for but it has more Power then the 360. It had it all the time but until now nobody was able to release it.

The Thing is the GPU of the 360 maybe more Powerful then the Gpu of the PS3 but thats not it. Its mentioned before. Everyone thought the Cell could only do the standard CPU stuff but infact the Cell is more like a mix between GPU and CPU it can take work from the GPU and this results in a better graphic. The Cell is twice as Powerful as the Xbox 360 CPU its even more powerful in the Theory.

The Xbox 360 has the Advantage of the better GPU but the PS3 has the Cell.

I think Uncharted 2 is not the absolut maximum. Sony Platforms were all hard to develop for. And the programmers always complained about that. This is not the END. The Xbox360 has some Capacitys but due to the easier accessability the Programmer can easier get to the limits of the Hardware then on the PS3. The PS3 has still some potential there maybe some room for improvements.

The Graphically best games we get always in the last period of the Gen. The Xbox 360 is almost at its maximum because its easier to program for. I guess there is still some potential but at very best the absolut maimum could be maybe something like Killzone 2 the PS3 will have a game which will beat Uncharted 2 in the future.

But we have to see what the Cryengine can do with the Consoles. If it would be on the same Graphical Level like Uncharted it would be fantastic. And I am curios if the Xbox360 Version of the Game will be on the same Level.

The Xbox360 is not as far behind as most of the people thought it would be but its definetly behind. I brought my PS3 to a Xbox360 Household the people never saw before a PS3 on a HD just their Xbox360 I brought Killzone 2 with me we played first Gears of War 2 and after that Killzone 2 everyone agreed it has the noticeable better Graphics. Now is Uncharted 2 the Console Graphics King and the Xbox360 still has nothing to beat Killzone 2.

If the Cryengine 3 would be graphicaly Superior to Uncharted 2 and run on Xbox 360 as good as on PS3 I would be surprised. Its possible but until know I havent seen a Xbox360 Game which would indicate that.

I am confident that on the End of the Gen PS3 will be seen as the more Powerful Console as its today. Upcoming games could change that maybe but until now PS3 beats Xbox30 clearlz and everone can see that this is no secret.



If we compare first gen PS2 games to games released late into it's life, the technical quality is night and day. Why do some peeps (especially PS3 fans) think the 360 has already or nearly peaked? It's barely been three years. Developers always find new tricks up their sleeves to squeeze ever more power out of the consoles.



Badassbab said:
If we compare first gen PS2 games to games released late into it's life, the technical quality is night and day. Why do some peeps (especially PS3 fans) think the 360 has already or nearly peaked? It's barely been three years. Developers always find new tricks up their sleeves to squeeze ever more power out of the consoles.

Xbox 360 has more power to show, but PS3 has more. Developers has 3 years experience on 360 and 2 years on PS3, which of them have more to show??? And it is more easy to use the full potential of the 360 than the PS3.

The trend is that the difference is increasing in favor of the PS3.



Badassbab said:
If we compare first gen PS2 games to games released late into it's life, the technical quality is night and day. Why do some peeps (especially PS3 fans) think the 360 has already or nearly peaked? It's barely been three years. Developers always find new tricks up their sleeves to squeeze ever more power out of the consoles.

You seem to forget that about 3 years into PS2 life, it was nearly 100% maxed. The game we saw after 6-7 years wasnt a lot better graphically then the one after 3 years.