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Soriku said:
Final-Fan said:
Soriku said:
This thread gives me a headache...

Can we just move on? Just be happy you were not banned.

Er... are YOU happy you were not banned? There would be equal justification (that is, none).

Did I ever insult the site?


 Did I?



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Final-Fan respond to my post. If you can't defend the use of an insult before criticism, then you have your answer for why he was banned.



naznatips said:
Final-Fan, his post started with "This site is a joke." That's not a criticism, that's an insult. He started bad, he ended bad. That's all there is to it.

 To be fair there are a few people who have said similar things that have not been banned. I've read the forum rules several times and there are a few people who regularly make posts in contradiction with rules #1, #3 and #4 and they haven't been banned. You know, just saying.



Final-Fan said:
Soriku said:
Final-Fan said:
Soriku said:
This thread gives me a headache...

Can we just move on? Just be happy you were not banned.

Er... are YOU happy you were not banned? There would be equal justification (that is, none).

Did I ever insult the site?


Did I?


No, but you're making a big deal of a person who deserved to be banned and COULD have gotten a second chance if he didn't bypass the ban system and troll and spam just to try to make a point.


naznatips said:
For the record, a post starting with "This site is a joke" will get you banned on pretty much every gaming site on the internet. Valid criticism and unnecessary insults are not the same. If he wanted to criticize the site, that's not the way to do it at all. That's immature and insulting. ioi has every right to ban someone for a statement like that, and the extended ban was certainly warranted by his actions after that. Sorry if you disagree, but that was his judgment call, and it was certainly an insult no matter how you look at it; no matter what the text he typed after that said.

I don't know about the general ban threshold of "pretty much every gaming site on the internet", but saying "this site is a joke" doesn't seem bad enough to me to justify more that AT MOST a very brief ban -- say, one day as a stern warning.  Three months was a huge overreaction to a well-articulated post with no vulgarity and only that one mild insult. 

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If they weren't banned that was a mistake on the mod's part. FF asked what reasoning there was for the initial ban. I gave him that reasoning. Insulting the site is not criticizing the site. His post after the insult may have been criticism, but he started with an insult, which directly contradicts the forum rules, and common decency in general.



I really am getting phsyically torn from the computer keyboard I am desperately typing this on, and will return later to address any posts postdating this one.



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K, well then you could have made that argument to ioi.

It's too late now, as Crucial went berserk, so I say again, the point is moot.

We'll be more careful about this in the future, but there's nothing we can do now...I'll give you a pat on the back. *pat on back*



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Ah, but see now you admit he started with an insult which was inappropriate and unwarranted action. Now you are just into debating the severity of the punishment. The fact that he still isn't perma-banned even after his post-ban actions I think shows quite a bit of leniency in that regard. So even if the original punishment was too severe, ioi was lenient in not increasing that punishment even after he continued to act inappropriately. You could say there may have been a mistake in the initial severity, but either way there is a balance now. I'm sure in the future we'll all be more careful about it, but you asked for a reasoning for a ban and you got one.



naznatips said:
If they weren't banned that was a mistake on the mod's part. FF asked what reasoning there was for the initial ban. I gave him that reasoning. Insulting the site is not criticizing the site. His post after the insult may have been criticism, but he started with an insult, which directly contradicts the forum rules, and common decency in general.

 Which forum rule is that in direct contradiction with? I think the whole point here is how things are interpreted. It would be helpful to know what the words are exactly and how you're interpreting them.