MAFKKA said:
Here's some lovable contradictions and self ownage :D. Also, this post contains an admition to the fact that CONSOLE/PC is Multiplatform. Enjoy.
ironman said:
MAFKKA said:
nofingershaha said:
You haven't considered that most pc games now are being forced to utilize the Microsoft license Games for Windows. Not to mention more games are now utilizing Windows Live (also being forced by Microsoft). If Microsoft is getting royalties from pc releases, it is still Microsoft exclusives.
At the least it may not be exclusives to us as consumers but it is exclusive to Microsoft as a business.
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But since "most" is not synonym for "all". You can't say that its exclusive, which is a total word. An absolute word. Exclusive can not be ONLY in some cases and Multiple in others.
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Ah ye old symantecs argument, you must be getting despirate. Anyway, I used "most" to cover my ass. See, while I am pretty sure that all games that are on both the PC and the 360 must be run in a MS environment, there could be one or two that do not. Anyway, those would be anomolies, all the rest are still exclusive.
Edit: A few fun definitions by my man Webster
Game Console - n.
"and electric device for playing VIDEO GAMES, requiring a connection to a television."
Computor - n.
"A device that computes, especially a programmable electronic machine that performs high-speed mathematical or logical operations or that assembles, stores, correlates, or otherwise processes information."
So you see, I can play your game!!! According to these definitions, a computer is by nature, NOT a console.
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This one is my favourite. Nofingershaha said "Most" - I responded, and Ironman re-enters and said he used "Most" to cover his ass? Doubble accounts anyone? :D Also - by your posted definition, PC is a console if all it takes is a game and a TV connection. A computer can be so many things, dosent have to be a PC. Its a general definition to machinery that computes. And the definition says a computer process information.. and so does a console, because its a computer aswell. Just not a PC. So PC = Console = 360/PC being two consoles or computers (by definition submitted by yourself via Webster) with the same software, i.e multiplatform.
ironman said:
tedsteriscool said: A agree. Exclusive implies only available on one system...I don't know why some people don't credit the PC as a gaming system because it is. |
It is a gaming system...a MS gaming system since you can only play games with MS software. So, that being said, any 360 "exclusive" that is also on the PC is a MS exclusive...see how that works?
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It IS a gaming system!
ironman said:
Keeping in mind that a PC is NOT a gaming console (I think we already cleared that up with my friend Webster), that fact right there makes the OP's and your ENTIRE argument moot.
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It is NOT a gaming console!
ironman said:
No, there really are not many exceptions, very few if any games that are shared by the PC and the 360 are sactioned for use outside of an MS product. thus it is an MS exclusive. As for your deifinition of "exclusive" you are correct. An MS "exclusive" game is not divided amungst non MS OS or gaming machines.
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Software being the reason why its exclusive proves the point that something released on NXE and Any windows platform, is multiplatform.
ironman said:
. Exclusive basically means only one party. People who want to play gmaes like Mass Effect all have something in common, you know what it is? They must use MS Software. The hardware is irrelevant. Now, had the OP said console + PC games are multiplat, I would have to agree with him
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Hardware is irrelevant you say. So why does it matter if a PC is a console or not? Software used on two different platforms, i.e multiplatform. And you said it yourself, if the OP said "console + pc games are multiplat, I would have to agree with him", i.e 360/PC is multiplatform.
ironman said:
MAFKKA said:
But we've already established it in this thread. PC/360 is multiplatform. /thread
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No we havn't, until you understand the differance between the term "Console Exclusive" and "Multiplat Exculsive" This thread cannot end.
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So "had the OP said console + PC games are multiplat, I would have to agree" - is not the same as "we've already established it in this thread. PC/360 is multiplatform" ? Say what?
ironman said:
The PC itself is not a MS platform, but then, you are all confusing the PC hardware and the MS OS. Many (if not all) ports cannot be run on anything but windows (natively) and are, therefore, a MS exclusive. This of course is IF you really believe that a PC is a console.
Now, as for a PC, it is not a console..
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"It is a MS exclusive if you believe the PC is a console... Now as for the PC, it is NOT a console" :D Hahaha okay. Arguing that something is "MS Software Platform exclusive", if you believe that the PC is a console. And the next sentance, its Not a console :D
ironman said:
WereKitten said:
As for the "PC is not a console" part, you're flunking the simplest logic. If the definition of console was "a device than can only be used to play games" than you would be right, but that's not what the Merriam Webster definition you provided said.
Did I ever say a console could ONLY be used top play games? I said it was optimized to. A console, by it's very definition, is something that is specialized to do one task.
And of course it can't be because nowadays the line between a console and a PC is way fuzzier than it was for the NES: consoles nowadays can play movies and music, have internet browsers, connect to social services, display photos in slideshows and print them. I don't think it's impossible to think that when proper motion controls are here for all consoles we'll see some video editing/ photo manipulation software being released on consoles.
Fuzzy or not, A Console is optimized to do one major task, a PC is optimized to do many.
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You're webster input said "an electric device for playing video games, requiring a connection to a television". It dosen't say "specialized to do one task". And Television is an outdated expression since they started to release LCD TVs. And what about every teenage boy who has his console connected to the LCD screen in his room? Does those fail to be consoles? So basicly the Webster definition of what a console is, it's a electric device for playing video games. Period.
ironman said:
you are right.
Console Exclusive CAN BE a Multiplatform game,
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And finally the win of all wins. Im right and console exclusives can be multiplatform games. But requires Console Exclusive to be defined as what others would call plain Exclusive.
And finally;
@ ironman - its funny how you ignore to answer my post where you on a regular basis imply that i have MS arch enemies and that i hate MS. And constantly claim im wrong without saying how so. Convenient.
Well this is it then. I guess we'll part ways. It was fun while it lasted. Befriend me on internet if you want.
ironman said:
MAFKKA said:
nofingershaha said:
You haven't considered that most pc games now are being forced to utilize the Microsoft license Games for Windows. Not to mention more games are now utilizing Windows Live (also being forced by Microsoft). If Microsoft is getting royalties from pc releases, it is still Microsoft exclusives.
At the least it may not be exclusives to us as consumers but it is exclusive to Microsoft as a business.
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But since "most" is not synonym for "all". You can't say that its exclusive, which is a total word. An absolute word. Exclusive can not be ONLY in some cases and Multiple in others.
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Ah ye old symantecs argument, you must be getting despirate. Anyway, I used "most" to cover my ass. See, while I am pretty sure that all games that are on both the PC and the 360 must be run in a MS environment, there could be one or two that do not. Anyway, those would be anomolies, all the rest are still exclusive.
Edit: A few fun definitions by my man Webster
Game Console - n.
"and electric device for playing VIDEO GAMES, requiring a connection to a television."
Computor - n.
"A device that computes, especially a programmable electronic machine that performs high-speed mathematical or logical operations or that assembles, stores, correlates, or otherwise processes information."
So you see, I can play your game!!! According to these definitions, a computer is by nature, NOT a console.
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