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HanzoTheRazor said:
On a lighter note; I just watched 2 amazing films that both looked and sounded the best that I have expirienced. Blade Runner The Final Cut has 5 versions of the film, including the newest Final Cut which is the best looking and sounding film that I have ever had the pleasure to watch. And, Starmnan. God it looks & sounds good for a movie that's 25 years old!

BR with it's five versions I picked up for $19 and Starman was about $17 as it was just released. BR has a full 50g disc loded just for sepecial features. Insain!


I dont think anyone is saying that BR isn't a better quality. But the average joe just doesn't care about the minute differences. Lets face it there are those who are even happy with upscaled DVD's. This is of worse quality than Lives HD films.

But I have no idea where you get your BR software doing well comment from. It's currently at 11% marketshare.



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WereKitten said:
Squilliam said:
HanzoTheRazor said:
^^ Are u implying that BD's are not the ultimate way to view a film?

Sony has 4K projectors, and its not because there isn't any content to show on it.

At last the cavalry comes in, thanks Squid! As our friend from down under was saying, in 5 years that 4K content will be distributed in 300-400GB BluRays instead of the HDDs used today :)

There would have to be some new blu ray players made, since the bit rate on them currently is not fast enough for 4K video.  Especially a blu ray disc with the number of layers needed for 300-400GB.



JaggedSac said:
WereKitten said:
Squilliam said:
HanzoTheRazor said:
^^ Are u implying that BD's are not the ultimate way to view a film?

Sony has 4K projectors, and its not because there isn't any content to show on it.

At last the cavalry comes in, thanks Squid! As our friend from down under was saying, in 5 years that 4K content will be distributed in 300-400GB BluRays instead of the HDDs used today :)

There would have to be some new blu ray players made, since the bit rate on them currently is not fast enough for 4K video.  Especially a blu ray disc with the number of layers needed for 300-400GB.

That's why I said in 5 years. I am not up to date on the subject, but there were working 6-layers 200GB BluRay discs back in 2006. So it's quite obvious that there's still a lot of headroom in blue-laser read optic discs. As for the bitrate, it would require about a 4x read speed (1x = 36Mb/s). You can buy them today for your PC, they will be a cheap baseline in 5 years.

Even in 5 years, 4k and 8k resolution will only be useful for a tiny minority of end users as it takes something like a >100" screen to be optically distinguishible from 1080p at your average room distance. On the other hand, it's a useful format for small theatres and people who work in movie production, but that have currently to rely on portable HDDs as a medium.



"All you need in life is ignorance and confidence; then success is sure." - Mark Twain

"..." - Gordon Freeman

BR hasn't replaced DVD, and never will. Like gaming, tv and film entertainment's future is digital download services and media centers. Having another physical format after DVD is a massive fail for both corporations (rampant piracy) and the consumer (more crap to stockpile).

Digital downloads and media centers people! BR and HD-DVD were already outdated the moment they came out.



WereKitten said:
JaggedSac said:
WereKitten said:

At last the cavalry comes in, thanks Squid! As our friend from down under was saying, in 5 years that 4K content will be distributed in 300-400GB BluRays instead of the HDDs used today :)

There would have to be some new blu ray players made, since the bit rate on them currently is not fast enough for 4K video.  Especially a blu ray disc with the number of layers needed for 300-400GB.

That's why I said in 5 years. I am not up to date on the subject, but there were working 6-layers 200GB BluRay discs back in 2006. So it's quite obvious that there's still a lot of headroom in blue-laser read optic discs. As for the bitrate, it would require about a 4x read speed (1x = 36Mb/s). You can buy them today for your PC, they will be a cheap baseline in 5 years.

Even in 5 years, 4k and 8k resolution will only be useful for a tiny minority of end users as it takes something like a >100" screen to be optically distinguishible from 1080p at your average room distance. On the other hand, it's a useful format for small theatres and people who work in movie production, but that have currently to rely on portable HDDs as a medium.

Oops, for some reason my brain died and I thought read speeds were affected by the number of layers.  4K would need about a bit rate of 220 Mbit/s so an 8x blu ray player would work fine.  I knew that the sizes were already doable. 



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JaggedSac said:
twesterm said:
Grimes said:
As far as portability goes, you don't need to carry anything. On many services you can simply login with your account on another device and you're set. I'd rather carry nothing than a disc.

Yeah, I guess I forgot to think about streaming on other devices, though that gets into the whole I have to sign in on my friends Xbox, what if wherever I'm taking the movie to doesn't have something I can sign in with, what if I want to borrow or lend a movie, and what's the point of 1080p on a 2" Zune screen?

Call me old fashioned but with movies I just prefer having the disc and case (though I'm sure the wife would jump at any opportunity to get rid of my massive collection of DVD/BluRay's).

Zune HD can output in 720p via HDMI.

Let's be serious now: who really has a Zune? LOL



BMaker11 said:
JaggedSac said:
twesterm said:
Grimes said:
As far as portability goes, you don't need to carry anything. On many services you can simply login with your account on another device and you're set. I'd rather carry nothing than a disc.

Yeah, I guess I forgot to think about streaming on other devices, though that gets into the whole I have to sign in on my friends Xbox, what if wherever I'm taking the movie to doesn't have something I can sign in with, what if I want to borrow or lend a movie, and what's the point of 1080p on a 2" Zune screen?

Call me old fashioned but with movies I just prefer having the disc and case (though I'm sure the wife would jump at any opportunity to get rid of my massive collection of DVD/BluRay's).

Zune HD can output in 720p via HDMI.

Let's be serious now: who really has a Zune? LOL

Touche.



Some examples of file sizes on bluray films
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1155731

 



JaggedSac said:

Oops, for some reason my brain died and I thought read speeds were affected by the number of layers.  4K would need about a bit rate of 220 Mbit/s so an 8x blu ray player would work fine.  I knew that the sizes were already doable. 

That's actually true e.g. for some DVD readers, but it hasn't been so for BD drives AFAIK.



"All you need in life is ignorance and confidence; then success is sure." - Mark Twain

"..." - Gordon Freeman

WereKitten said:
JaggedSac said:

Oops, for some reason my brain died and I thought read speeds were affected by the number of layers.  4K would need about a bit rate of 220 Mbit/s so an 8x blu ray player would work fine.  I knew that the sizes were already doable. 

That's actually true e.g. for some DVD readers, but it hasn't been so for BD drives AFAIK.

I'm not aware of there being any added layers to BD yet.  DVD only commercially uses single or dual layer discs and pretty much any player made in the last few years can play them.  BD on the other hand have many more layers and I think as they add layers to up the overall total data that can be fit on a disc, the read speed will also be affected.  That's the main reason early players could only do a max 2x drive because of all the layers in BD, as far as I know.

I'm by no means a BD expert, though, so I could easily be wrong.