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Forums - Microsoft Discussion - Halo: ODST - "Two words: really underwhelming"

famousringo said:
NJ5 said:
It would be nice if they actually talked about anything other than the graphics...

No kidding.

Aren't the graphics in Halo toned down because the game supports 4-player split screen? Are there any other shooters this generation that boast that feature?

360 (and often multiplat) games have to tone down the size of their screen buffers to about 640p, in order to double buffer the frame and depth buffers inside the 10MB embedded memory in the Xenos GPU.

Buffers larger than that have to do rendering by "tiling", which involves swapping out large chunks of memory from the EDRAM, and is thus kinda slow.

 

This is how Halo and CoD4, etc. achieve more than 30 fps on the 360.  It wouldn't be doable at 720p on the 360, because you have to run at around 600-640p in order to really take advantage of one of the best features of the Xenos -- the EDRAM.  Honestly, I don't know why people complain about sub-720p resolution, as long as its at least 600p -- it upscales just fine, and looks just fine.  

Given a choice, I think most folks would choose twice the framerate over slightly higher resolution.

If the Xenos had like 14MB of EDRAM, it could do 720p without the slow memory swapping issue.  It has 10MB though, so... unless your rendering is relatively easy to do, and you have "room" in the frame for it (for example, Forza, which probably doesn't do any hardware skinning, and thus can devote many more pipelines to fragment shaders, thus increasing overall pixel processing considerably), 600-640p is it.



 

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It could be because i don't like Halo games after the original Combat Evolved on Xbox/PC but i'd have to agree for an HD console there really is no excuse for having the same graphics engine, even IF the art-style is not the same as Halo 3, Graphics does not Equal Art of the game.

I was going to buy this game whenever i got XboxLive, but think i'll pass if almost nothing has changed from a graphicial stand-point.



Make no mistake, my comments having nothing to do with the graphics of the game. I just don't see much added to the Halo formula, and im skeptical about firefights.



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Alot of "backwards-cap-wearing American teens" up in this thread.

I dont think he ment the graphics were bad per se. His main complaint is that its just like Halo 3, nothing new and improved. He feels that its a game they put out there just to get some sales. Sort of like whats been said about L4D2.



are people forgetting that this game is designed to be a campaign expansion for Halo 3 and not technically a full game



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What a bogus article!  

I don't know why everybody rags on the graphics so much for ODST.  Their actually pretty good even by todays standards!  Oh and I predict 87-88 metacritic.

 

 



spartan004 said:
are people forgetting that this game is designed to be a campaign expansion for Halo 3 and not technically a full game

Actually its looks like a full game now.  It has as much content as Gears of War, and alot of other games.  So I would consider it a full game.



It's more Halo for people who want more Halo.  Since when is it "cynical" to give ~2-3 million consumers what they want?

The rest of us have Modern Warfare 2, Left4Dead 2, Uncharted 2, etc.

Those who don't want more Halo can spend their money elsewhere, it's not like there's a shortage of good games coming out this holiday season. So then what's the problem?

 



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MAFKKA said:
Alot of "backwards-cap-wearing American teens" up in this thread.

I dont think he ment the graphics were bad per se. His main complaint is that its just like Halo 3, nothing new and improved. He feels that its a game they put out there just to get some sales. Sort of like whats been said about L4D2.

What the hell is that supposed to mean? Stop trying to infer that everyone that likes Halo is a frat boy. I don't care about your insecurities there's no need to act ignorant. 

People in this thread are ridiculous. Why is it only the Sony fans that agree with the article in this thread? Hey guys Since MAG has horrible graphics compared to other PS3 exclusives that means it brings nothing new to the table and just sucks in general 

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