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ramses01 said:
CGI-Quality said:
ramses01 said:
CGI-Quality said:
ramses01 said:
Sony has virtually zero chance of outselling MS in the US outside of the next 4 weeks or so. Once ODST hits, it will be MS back on top. The holidays will handily go to MS because of the arcade bundles that are sure to come. $299 is still way to expensive at the moment.

In 2010, MS will probably bury Sony (and possibly even Nintendo) with Natal.

OUS, Sony will be ahead for the rest of the year. However, when Natal launches it will be up for grabs, although I give MS a better chance of winning EU than Sony. Japan is a foregone conclusions so it isn't worth talking about.

This is where I stopped taking this post seriously.

Japapn is still a VERY important market btw, whether you want to admit it or not. For Microsoft to rule this industry, they must rule there as well.

 


Anyone that doesn't think that NATAL will radically shift the balance isn't paying attention or is being deliberately obtuse.

Natal's going to bury Sony & Nintendo? Are you paying attention to what you're posting?

If not, I'd say give it a try...

Sigh, where do you people learn to read?  I said probably bury Sony ( probably = >50% chance ) and possibily Nintendo (possibly = something greater than 10-15%).   

At this point, the HD wars (and maybe the whole market) in the US is MS' to lose. 

As long as it deliveries on its promise (which is not guarenteed hence the lower than unity probilities), NATAL completely changes the landscape.  As a strategy professional and long time gamer, in my expert opinion NATAL will be the single most influential event in gaming since the introduction of the 2600.

 

 

I could ask the same thing of where are you pulling your BS notion of Microsoft "probably" burying either Nintendo or Sony?

Just face it man, this is HIGHLY unlikely, even for Natal.



                                                                                                                                            

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I can't picture it mking tht much of a difference when there's a nearly 50,000 unit weekly gap and a 360 pricecut coming.



StephenSharp said:
I can't picture it mking tht much of a difference when there's a nearly 50,000 unit weekly gap and a 360 pricecut coming.

You mean the Pro down to $249 and the Elite down to $299? What will those do for the 360 when the cheapest current gen system (360 Arcade) has been $199.99 for a year already?

There's NEVER been a PS3 this cheap ($299.99). Why aren't people processing this?



                                                                                                                                            

"I don't need to try... you do a good job of that yourself."

"flew... right... over... your... head... oh wow. I think I know what type of person you are now. "

"You, sir, are full of fail. My 360 FUD? LOL.

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Yeah... really looks like I spend my time in the MS forums. The only MS one in that list is me laughing at a photo from Wisconsin.

Get over yourself. You are wrong."

"I were disputing(LOL)? No. What I said was Australia said it was 50/50 and the people here claim it was the pro. The only way for you to be correct about "it being proven" is to show MS saying so. Otherwise it's speculation at best on your part."

"isnt that what i said? lol this is such a great example of people not knowing what they are talking about."

"australia just said its half and half between pro and arcade there. and 360 fans claim pro is the best selling model."

"...uh...huh.... are you joking? I can't tell"

"no it didnt"

"yeah... i mean... same with 360. Its out of warranty now a bunch of those sales this year will just be people replacing their rrod console. /'sarcasm"

"wait wait wait.... the general public is clueless of the slim but eagerly anticipating the elite cut?"

"Sony should hire a team of professional "leakers" people who every few months leaks some sony gossip trhat isnt true. That will make people go "oh... another rumor" when real leaks happen"

"I thought they already stated they were working on the PSP 4000... I don't know if they were talking about the Go then or not."

"lol... to add a black kid? never heard of something like that. when looking at it i was thinking. "man they didn't take the guy out. it just look like they added him in to make it look like he was taken out" then i read your post and realized it was the opposite of what i was looking for. funny."

"black people are less minority than asians in poland?



better solution: take another picture."

"the funny thing about that wisconsin photo is that black kid would be awfully close to that guy right behind the girl."

"From what I gather EU (or at least UK) have the "Start...." tagline now"

"lol @ dandd and mike."

".... no... no you don't."

"That's impossible. Bioware is pretty much admitting it's a possibility... just not right now. While Kojima, Sony, and Konami all shot the rumor down immediatly... but they kept coming"

"Wow... completely flew over your head... well maybe this one wont... I say LAIR is the greatest new IP this gen."

"Your right. I worded it a little wrong. I vote the people who whine over what the other party does. Especially the ones who over exaggerate. Is that better? There were a lot more threads than yours doing what you did. I shouldn't have singled yours out."

"I vote yours with whinning about the ps3 fans claiming something they arent"

"Hey... some people prefer music games over FPS... HOLY SHIT IMAGINE THAT!"

"lol... bioshock? rock band? madworld? conduit? NMH? left for dead? heavenly sword? VC? DS? resistance? infamous? there are ton of great ones."

"even i it bombs compared to the 360 version it will most likely recoop the losses. Why do you think Bioshock 2 is comming to the ps3 if it bombed exactly like the poster i was directing my post to said."

"to the 360 fans it is... unless gears of war isnt one either..."

"bomb or not it aint a 360 exclusive that way... isn't that the point?"

"there is one thing.... If you are self conscious about something... even if she might so happen to stumble upon it by accident. And you know it will piss you off if she goes there. You shouldn't insult the person."

"Call her a cock monger. You should call some of my ex'es and get some good ones "

"So... how far do you want to take your insults?"

"Cunt for girls is a big one... they get PISSED... word of advice though... use it on someone you despise... if you use it in the heat of the moment during an arguement you might regret it."

"360 fans are cornered? because I see more aggression coming from their party than anywhere recently.,"

"had to add something to your post so I can say...

I agree with this 100%.

(if i didn't add that it would only be 99%)"

"It wasn't really hyped at all. If these games are what i'm thinking they are it was just a couple of threads acting like these games going on their platform was a huge victory."

"That hype thread isn't going to be as big as this one. That thread failed."

"god... i think that kid in the video was mentally challenged. He made weird sounds... disturbing."

"I love how xbox fans claim Ps3 fans are crazy and spout ridiculous stuff and that there will never be a 360 fan counter part... Seriously."

"Yeah... 'cause the answer to someone selling you faulty items is to kidnap and murder them... shit whatever happened to small claims court. The kid didn't rip him off. The idiot was stupid. Did he turn it on and test it before he bought it? Probablly not. And if not he'd lose in court unless the kid made any specific comments on how it runs which were untrue."

"you sound like me working on my car... I went to change my fuel filter and I snaped the fuel line I fix one thing but break another. "

"Wow... i just watched that second ad again. It even has the PS eye... im impressed."

"Well, I think that second ad answers some concerns in this thread. It definitly is focusing on free online play and games."

"NJ5 - i don't know about being stupid if they don't bundle it. GT5 will be their biggest game to be released. Don't you think they should take that for granted and sell as many copies they can. Giving it away for free would eat their profits for holiday quarter."

"kowenicki - but you are forgetting that GT5 is suppose to be bundled with this 250 gig. They see the GT5 they see the 250 gigs. They might think its worth the extra 100 dollars without thinking it through like you have"

"i dony believe so. they see bigger and automatically think better."

"Eyepet with the 250 gig? No. Maybe the more casual friendly cheaper model. I'd say KZ2."

"So you don't need to delete game data from installs. I think 250gigs takes care of that all. I know I have a 60giger and I wish I had more space cause I only have about 4 games of space left before I have to start deleting installs. Anyway, a 400 dollar Ps3 250 gig slim with GT5 is definatly a good deal and would be profitable."

After 12 threads and 50 posts I think I have enough to show my post history. Now... Please guy... Show me where I spread all this 360 FUD and I take Ps3 fans speculation as facts... Oh, You can't? Then sit down and shut the fuck up because you are fucking obnoxious.



JEDE3 said:

"I don't need to try... you do a good job of that yourself."

"flew... right... over... your... head... oh wow. I think I know what type of person you are now. "

"You, sir, are full of fail. My 360 FUD? LOL.

Still skeptical that PS3 will outsell Xbox360 in the US from Sept-Dec

BBC: Microsoft in web photo racism row

"It Only Does Everything" now at end of US PS3 Videos; Ads to follow

BioWare doesn't deny PS3 Mass Effect.

Advice on insulting people.

After Cash for Clunkers... Cash for Refrigerators!

Whats that a PSP-4000?

Why are some hyping Demon Soul like it is a game changer?

PSP + Nutcase + Teen = Jail?...

PS3 YLOD Repair

Sony Launches £82m Ad Push for PlayStation 3 Across Europe

250GB PS3 Slim + GT5 Bundle Coming

PS3 profitability -- Breaking down Kaz' statement

PS3 SLIM £99 upgrade offer????

Sony Losing Money On PS3 Slim

Yeah... really looks like I spend my time in the MS forums. The only MS one in that list is me laughing at a photo from Wisconsin.

Get over yourself. You are wrong."

"I were disputing(LOL)? No. What I said was Australia said it was 50/50 and the people here claim it was the pro. The only way for you to be correct about "it being proven" is to show MS saying so. Otherwise it's speculation at best on your part."

"isnt that what i said? lol this is such a great example of people not knowing what they are talking about."

"australia just said its half and half between pro and arcade there. and 360 fans claim pro is the best selling model."

"...uh...huh.... are you joking? I can't tell"

"no it didnt"

"yeah... i mean... same with 360. Its out of warranty now a bunch of those sales this year will just be people replacing their rrod console. /'sarcasm"

"wait wait wait.... the general public is clueless of the slim but eagerly anticipating the elite cut?"

"Sony should hire a team of professional "leakers" people who every few months leaks some sony gossip trhat isnt true. That will make people go "oh... another rumor" when real leaks happen"

"I thought they already stated they were working on the PSP 4000... I don't know if they were talking about the Go then or not."

"lol... to add a black kid? never heard of something like that. when looking at it i was thinking. "man they didn't take the guy out. it just look like they added him in to make it look like he was taken out" then i read your post and realized it was the opposite of what i was looking for. funny."

"black people are less minority than asians in poland?



better solution: take another picture."

"the funny thing about that wisconsin photo is that black kid would be awfully close to that guy right behind the girl."

"From what I gather EU (or at least UK) have the "Start...." tagline now"

"lol @ dandd and mike."

".... no... no you don't."

"That's impossible. Bioware is pretty much admitting it's a possibility... just not right now. While Kojima, Sony, and Konami all shot the rumor down immediatly... but they kept coming"

"Wow... completely flew over your head... well maybe this one wont... I say LAIR is the greatest new IP this gen."

"Your right. I worded it a little wrong. I vote the people who whine over what the other party does. Especially the ones who over exaggerate. Is that better? There were a lot more threads than yours doing what you did. I shouldn't have singled yours out."

"I vote yours with whinning about the ps3 fans claiming something they arent"

"Hey... some people prefer music games over FPS... HOLY SHIT IMAGINE THAT!"

"lol... bioshock? rock band? madworld? conduit? NMH? left for dead? heavenly sword? VC? DS? resistance? infamous? there are ton of great ones."

"even i it bombs compared to the 360 version it will most likely recoop the losses. Why do you think Bioshock 2 is comming to the ps3 if it bombed exactly like the poster i was directing my post to said."

"to the 360 fans it is... unless gears of war isnt one either..."

"bomb or not it aint a 360 exclusive that way... isn't that the point?"

"there is one thing.... If you are self conscious about something... even if she might so happen to stumble upon it by accident. And you know it will piss you off if she goes there. You shouldn't insult the person."

"Call her a cock monger. You should call some of my ex'es and get some good ones "

"So... how far do you want to take your insults?"

"Cunt for girls is a big one... they get PISSED... word of advice though... use it on someone you despise... if you use it in the heat of the moment during an arguement you might regret it."

"360 fans are cornered? because I see more aggression coming from their party than anywhere recently.,"

"had to add something to your post so I can say...

I agree with this 100%.

(if i didn't add that it would only be 99%)"

"It wasn't really hyped at all. If these games are what i'm thinking they are it was just a couple of threads acting like these games going on their platform was a huge victory."

"That hype thread isn't going to be as big as this one. That thread failed."

"god... i think that kid in the video was mentally challenged. He made weird sounds... disturbing."

"I love how xbox fans claim Ps3 fans are crazy and spout ridiculous stuff and that there will never be a 360 fan counter part... Seriously."

"Yeah... 'cause the answer to someone selling you faulty items is to kidnap and murder them... shit whatever happened to small claims court. The kid didn't rip him off. The idiot was stupid. Did he turn it on and test it before he bought it? Probablly not. And if not he'd lose in court unless the kid made any specific comments on how it runs which were untrue."

"you sound like me working on my car... I went to change my fuel filter and I snaped the fuel line I fix one thing but break another. "

"Wow... i just watched that second ad again. It even has the PS eye... im impressed."

"Well, I think that second ad answers some concerns in this thread. It definitly is focusing on free online play and games."

"NJ5 - i don't know about being stupid if they don't bundle it. GT5 will be their biggest game to be released. Don't you think they should take that for granted and sell as many copies they can. Giving it away for free would eat their profits for holiday quarter."

"kowenicki - but you are forgetting that GT5 is suppose to be bundled with this 250 gig. They see the GT5 they see the 250 gigs. They might think its worth the extra 100 dollars without thinking it through like you have"

"i dony believe so. they see bigger and automatically think better."

"Eyepet with the 250 gig? No. Maybe the more casual friendly cheaper model. I'd say KZ2."

"So you don't need to delete game data from installs. I think 250gigs takes care of that all. I know I have a 60giger and I wish I had more space cause I only have about 4 games of space left before I have to start deleting installs. Anyway, a 400 dollar Ps3 250 gig slim with GT5 is definatly a good deal and would be profitable."

After 12 threads and 50 posts I think I have enough to show my post history. Now... Please guy... Show me where I spread all this 360 FUD and I take Ps3 fans speculation as facts... Oh, You can't? Then sit down and shut the fuck up because you are fucking obnoxious.

Er, good one?

So you have only ever been in 12 threads and made 50 post.

Go cherry pick elsewhere.
I'll prove you wrong again later when I'm not busy with HW.
Come back tomorrow



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LOL! Learn what cherry picking is.

Do you want me to keep going? Only reason I stoped was because I would figure you would be a tad more logical and my last 50 posts would show a trend... guess this flew over your head too.



no please keep going



"After 12 threads and 50 posts I think I have enough to show my post history. Now... Please guy... Show me where I spread all this 360 FUD and I take Ps3 fans speculation as facts... Oh, You can't? Then sit down and shut the fuck up because you are fucking obnoxious."

"The only way Jereels comment can be varified is if you get a decent sized sample group from around the world. Of people who don't own the Wii, 360, or Ps3. And have them play EVERY single new IP and have them grade them"

"... I don't know how MGSR has to do with MGS4 rumors. I'm also not sure what BC has to do with multiplatform game discussion..."

"i hope they do one with the slim."

"I think I know where I went wrong with my 280 number.

Tell me if this makes sense.

I used the 10% loss still to come up with it. But when he said that 10% number the 65nm chip set was already in the console for 1.5-2 years... something like that? And that would give it time to reduce the costs of manufacture.

When I did my estimate I didn't take that into consideration. So the 45nm chip set would be more expenisve with it falling in costs in time. So, maybe we are closer to our estimates than we are thinking. Do you think the costs over time can be reduced to closer to my estimates?"

"are you talking about trenttons quote? It doesnt mean that if they sell 13 million systems this FY that the HW would magically become profitable. What he meant was that with a higher user base buying more SW and periphrials DLC and such it'll balance out the losses"

"How much do you think they'd be losing with everthing factored in?"

"So you agree with me that even if they cost 280 to manufacture Sony would still not be profitable."

"I don't know, I estimated ~280 not including all that stuff. (As you can see from my previous post) 311 isn't that far off but would they be able to sell enough software and periphs to make up for that? What would the dollar amount be for their loss for you. Including all that stuff. And I know you wont forget to take retail cut out of the 300"

"Yes, but taken completely out of context and not even on the same topic as this thread here so that quote is completely irrelevant."

"For the fats though we have a better estimate. Since the CFO said they still lose about 10% on each system sold."

"You guys are fucking obnoxious. How is "Ps3 is profitable allows them to cut the price" Me saying "Ps3 is making a profit now"

Seriously guys, grow up. You are fucking obnoxious."

"funny picture, but not nearly owned at all. I'll talk to NJ5 about this subject because he is more educated than you 3 on this subject/."

"Not ownage at all. Even if it costs 250 to make it still would not be profitable for Sony. Also what he isnt showing you is what thread it is. I believe it is in "How can Sony drop the price" thread.. which... if Sony is selling at 400 dollars then, yes, the Ps3 is now profitabl, and yes, they can drop it. OWNED YOUR FACE! "

"420 on fats."

"nothing i've said contradicts me... glad it took you a couple of hours out of your day to find it though."

"I think they are close to breaking even now. They lowered manufactureing costs from 840 -> 420 by cutting out Ps2 components, 2 USB slots, a card slot, and shrinking the RSX and Cell to 65nm. 420 dollars by those simple steps. Now they cut the Cell to 45 nm (RSX not quit clear but I'd think they have) took chrome faceplate off. Chrome PLAYSTATION 3 off. Shrunk the chasis. Took the finish off. Are using push buttons instead of touch."

"when have i ever said they were profitable on ps3 hw?"

"last time someone tried to use this logic it was when isupply came out. everyone shouted "IMPOSSIBLE!" "They must be losing at least 100 per console still!" then it turned out they were only losing 40."

"It sounds to me like he is strictly talking about the ps3. He says "on hardware" we know psp isn't losing money and the ps2 isnt. Then he says "platform" since when have multiple consoles been a platform?"

Is 70 posts enough for you? Or do you want me to keep going. Cause I will.... because again... no where in these quotes do you see 360 FUD or me taking specualtion as fact. Just you having a quote completely going over your head and not understanding the simple context of the quote and you starting a shit storm.... Hey... seems like you cause more FUD than I do... and you speculate more than I do... You spend more time in the Sony forums than I in the MS ones. Why the fuck am I up on the witness stand? ou have no room to talk so just shut up already.



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