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MikeB on 27 April 2010

@ slowmo

Another thing regarding the Blu-Ray drive often brought forward by 360 fans in the past was data duplication in Oblivion, a game which looks much better on the PS3 (but 360's game of the year, the year before).

Data duplication makes much sense on Blu-Ray disc if you don't use the full capacity as it can reduce seektimes and thus enhances the overall user experience. 360 fans made a big deal of a tiny dev comment regarding this.

Data duplication on 360 discs make a lot less sense as you only have 6.8 GB of capacity to work with and data duplication thus reduces this capacity even further. 360 fans liked to ignore this comment:

"Bethesda's Pete Hines also commented that recent reports of data duplication on the PS3 Oblivion disc have been exaggerated, and this technique isn't different from the similar strategy that was employed in the creation of the Xbox 360 game last year."

http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/rpg/theelderscrollsivoblivion/news.html?sid=6165505&mode=previews

Actually data duplication is used a lot if a game has to span several discs, like is the case on the XBox 360 for larger games. This to reduce swap issues, so already used but again needed data for later parts of the game are duplicated to prevent users from constantly swapping discs.

So the discussion regarding PS3 Blu-Ray vs 360 DVD was not as black & white as you made it out to be, a lot of different topics regarding this were highlighted by 360 fans which required more in depth commentary.



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slowmo on 27 April 2010
MikeB said:
@ slowmo

Like I said, I don't know the specs of all the different XBox 360 drives out there, I used the Beyond3D guys as a source, like I may include other information stated there as a source when I don't have the specs myself (like many people do, including many 360 fans).

ALL 360 DVD drives since launch will read at 12x.  In terms of raw transfer speed it is black and white that the 360 drive is faster.  I'm not saying its entirely your fault you believed another source just you should have conceeded the point it was wrong when provided overwhelming evidence against your original figures and conclusion.  Trying to backtrack bringing seek times into the equation was another method you used to try and squirm out of saying a simple honest truth that the 360 DVD transfer speed is faster than the PS3's Blurays  drive. 

Most 360 fans aren't on this site highlighting other users spreading misinformation MikeB.

 

 

Oblivion iwas an updated engine due to the later release date .  How did the extra data duplication work out on Fallout 3 which is surely a fairer test?



MikeB on 27 April 2010

@ slowmo

Sorry, a little birdy told me the Beyond3D guys were indeed correct for the read speeds of a drive used for the XBox 360...



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Lord Flashheart on 27 April 2010

And if they told you the 360 drives read speeds were faster would you still believe them without question?



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slowmo on 27 April 2010
MikeB said:
@ slowmo

Sorry, a little birdy told me the Beyond3D guys were indeed correct for the read speeds of a drive used for the XBox 360...

They were wrong, thank you for proving my point MikeB.  The 360 DVD drive reads at 12x, you cannot even accept a fact now.



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MARCUSDJACKSON on 27 April 2010
MikeB said:
slowmo said:
MikeB said:
slowmo said:
MikeB said:
@ ironman

One example:
http://uk.xbox360.ign.com/articles/617/617951p1.html

That's extreme misinformation, countless fanboys made themselves look like fools because of such behaviour. Should nobody counter this? Sadly fanboys direct their anger at the wrong people, they should rather re-direct their anger towards Microsoft.

How about all the trouble you caused on this site with your misinformation saying the Bluray drive on the PS3 was faster than the 360 DVD drive (just one example).

Learn to read please. I stated the 360 DVDs read in part faster and in part slower than a PS3 Blu-Ray disc.

The reason for that discussion was certain fans claiming the top speed of a single layered disc was the 360 DVD's speed. This also refers to certain people claiming the PS3's Blu-Ray drive is too slow. But modern PS3 games like God of War 3 and Uncharted 2 proof this to be incorrect.

I did read that thread very carefully MikeB and you didn't claim in part at all.  You said that the Bluray drive in the PS3 could read data quicker than a DVD, you then started quoting averages for a 2x Bluray drive and only a 8x DVD drive claiming the 360's drive was slower.  When it was proved to you the 360 DVD drive was 12x so all your figures were wrong and your conclusion incorrect you never admitted you were wrong.  I think you need to get your memory checked.  I and most other people in that thread didn't say that the Bluray drive was too slow for games either, we funnily enough were just out to prove that you got your facts wrong, nothing more or less.  It doesn't matter what other people might have claimed either by the way, you were still spreading misinformation as you weren't right either.

I try not to bring up peoples past history MikeB but this is your thread about your past comments you've made so I think it is appropriate to add balance when you claim others have been misinforming people.

I just debunked that the max speed of the 360 DVD is the average read speed (the read speed of the inner tracks are slower than Blu-Ray). I pointed out the average read speed of a Blu-Ray disc is constant. I did not compare a 8x speed DVD drive, but a 12x speed DVD drive (which for a dual layer DVD reads as fast as a 8x DVD drive reads a single layer DVD), for this I used a Beyond3D discussion (and linked manual) as a source. I stated I don't know the exact speed of all the different used DVD drives on the 360, but 360 developers would need to take into account the slowest models.

I also pointed out that seektimes on Blu-Ray disc are faster, because the data is packed closer together, but worst case scenarios are worse (but the seektime of swapping DVDs is of course much slower ). I pointed out that the constant streaming speed of Blu-Ray disc is an advantage for developers who want to optimise, because the overall read speed is more predictable.

I pointed out that single layer DVD 360 games can be read faster, but they are small (3.4 GB) to be fully installed on the PS3's harddrive anyhow, which always reads much faster.

So, it's not as black & white as you present here at all.

I prefer the PS3's Blu-Ray (over a 360 drive) for its capacity, great loading schemes (like God of War 3 and Uncharted 2), it being far more silent, discs being scratch resistent and the ability to playback Blu-Ray movies.

Note that discussion started because of repeated claims by 360 fans the PS3 Blu-Ray drive is far too slow.

shouldn't we have debate threads for this type of argument?



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slowmo on 27 April 2010
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
MikeB said:
slowmo said:
MikeB said:
slowmo said:
MikeB said:
@ ironman

One example:
http://uk.xbox360.ign.com/articles/617/617951p1.html

That's extreme misinformation, countless fanboys made themselves look like fools because of such behaviour. Should nobody counter this? Sadly fanboys direct their anger at the wrong people, they should rather re-direct their anger towards Microsoft.

How about all the trouble you caused on this site with your misinformation saying the Bluray drive on the PS3 was faster than the 360 DVD drive (just one example).

Learn to read please. I stated the 360 DVDs read in part faster and in part slower than a PS3 Blu-Ray disc.

The reason for that discussion was certain fans claiming the top speed of a single layered disc was the 360 DVD's speed. This also refers to certain people claiming the PS3's Blu-Ray drive is too slow. But modern PS3 games like God of War 3 and Uncharted 2 proof this to be incorrect.

I did read that thread very carefully MikeB and you didn't claim in part at all.  You said that the Bluray drive in the PS3 could read data quicker than a DVD, you then started quoting averages for a 2x Bluray drive and only a 8x DVD drive claiming the 360's drive was slower.  When it was proved to you the 360 DVD drive was 12x so all your figures were wrong and your conclusion incorrect you never admitted you were wrong.  I think you need to get your memory checked.  I and most other people in that thread didn't say that the Bluray drive was too slow for games either, we funnily enough were just out to prove that you got your facts wrong, nothing more or less.  It doesn't matter what other people might have claimed either by the way, you were still spreading misinformation as you weren't right either.

I try not to bring up peoples past history MikeB but this is your thread about your past comments you've made so I think it is appropriate to add balance when you claim others have been misinforming people.

I just debunked that the max speed of the 360 DVD is the average read speed (the read speed of the inner tracks are slower than Blu-Ray). I pointed out the average read speed of a Blu-Ray disc is constant. I did not compare a 8x speed DVD drive, but a 12x speed DVD drive (which for a dual layer DVD reads as fast as a 8x DVD drive reads a single layer DVD), for this I used a Beyond3D discussion (and linked manual) as a source. I stated I don't know the exact speed of all the different used DVD drives on the 360, but 360 developers would need to take into account the slowest models.

I also pointed out that seektimes on Blu-Ray disc are faster, because the data is packed closer together, but worst case scenarios are worse (but the seektime of swapping DVDs is of course much slower ). I pointed out that the constant streaming speed of Blu-Ray disc is an advantage for developers who want to optimise, because the overall read speed is more predictable.

I pointed out that single layer DVD 360 games can be read faster, but they are small (3.4 GB) to be fully installed on the PS3's harddrive anyhow, which always reads much faster.

So, it's not as black & white as you present here at all.

I prefer the PS3's Blu-Ray (over a 360 drive) for its capacity, great loading schemes (like God of War 3 and Uncharted 2), it being far more silent, discs being scratch resistent and the ability to playback Blu-Ray movies.

Note that discussion started because of repeated claims by 360 fans the PS3 Blu-Ray drive is far too slow.

shouldn't we have debate threads for this type of argument?

We did a long time ago, MikeB lost it and then started spamming the thread with nonense and wouldn't admit he was wrong, hence the relevance to this thread when MikeB started accusing other people of spreading misinformation.  MikeB has made it quite clear that my accusation that he is happy to spread misinformation himself is quite true so I will not continue in the thread unless he chooses to continue arguing a point he has always been wrong on.



MikeB on 27 April 2010

@ slowmo

Calm down, I told you where I got that specs from. I cannot deny or affirm the drive specs myself (I do not have the drive), please ask someone else. Maybe ask around on the Beyond3D forum.



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slowmo on 28 April 2010

I'm fine MikeB, I've had my say so I'll leave you to get back onto your other predictions in the thread thanks.



numonex on 28 April 2010

An argument with MikeB is like banging your head against the wall over and over again. He uses the same arguments from links he has copied over and over again. He clearly does not know anything but he claims he is a tech expert. Numerous tech experts on VGChartz have proven MikeB to be wrong time and time again. But he continues his pointless rants. Very determined guy but well he is wrong again and again.

In regards to MikeB's predictions they come true as often as a broken clock in regards to the right time of day. MikeB still holds onto the belief the PS3 will sell 140 million console systems and the PS3 will win this generation or those predictions have been forgotten about. We are not going to let you off that lightly MikeB. Take a look at the main screen. If you do not believe this sites numbers well there are other sites that more or less indicates the Wii is more than double the sales of the PS3 and the 360 still trails the 360 by 5 million sales.

MikeB's sales predictions and tech talk should be treated like a grain of salt.