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On the heels of the Invisible Walls gametrailers video, Malstrom examines the source of Wii hatred:

http://seanmalstrom.wordpress.com/2009/08/22/wii-hatred-is-about-hatred-of-the-new-customers/

 The hatred of Wii is very real and very irrational. Many are trying to say that Wii hate is not real, that it is because of something else. Let us go through these denials.

Wii is not HD. It is hated because it lacks graphic coolness and third parties don’t want to make Wii games because they can’t port them anywhere else.

Gamecube was very easy to port games from other systems on. Gamecube also pushed out the graphic capability compared to the PS2. Yet, Gamecube was ‘bad’ then and third parties didn’t port over games anyway.

This is why I laugh when I hear someone say, “The Blue Ocean Strategy left Nintendo all alone. They need to come out with a Wii HD so third parties can port games.”

But this didn’t work with the Gamecube, did it? Why would it work with a Wii HD? Wii HD would only end up as a negative for the system. It would divide the install base, it would remove the differentiation from the consoles.

Wii Hatred is only because they don’t like motion controls.

With motion controls announced with Natal and Sony Wand, motion controls are now suddenly ‘cool’. This is why you don’t hear any ‘hate’ for the Wii’s motion controls anymore.

Wii Hatred is because the Wii controller is limited.

The Wii hatred is still there even after Motion Plus, a level of technology that is near identical to what the Sony Wand is.

Wii is not about focusing on greater immersion. This is why it must be hated!

And this is the answer. The big flaw in many people’s reasoning is that immersion is what video games are about. This is why anything that might get in the way of immersion, like calibration issues, is a Big Deal to the hardcore yet is not an issue to everyone else.

One of the big reasons for the Wii’s popularity, as was with the DS, is that many of the games are not intended for greater immersion. They are not designed to replace your life, only to connect to it. Wii Fit is not to immerse you so much as to help your real life. Wii Sports is not to immerse you so much as to help have fun as social gatherings with real people. Brain Age is to help work your brain for real life purposes, it isn’t supposed to immerse you.

So to them, the Wii is “backwards” because it is not helping immersion but putting out games and control systems that are removing immersion. Yet, this is exactly what connects to the Expanded Market. In a way, this is how all games were in the pre-3d days, in the Atari, NES days.

This is why Wii hate always spills over on the new gamer. The hardcore HATE how the new customer cares nothing for ‘greater immersion’.

What cannot be denied is that Wii hate always manifests itself against the Wii customers. This is what is so shocking. Attacking customers is always a bad idea, in any industry. Newspapers did it right before they entered the valley of decline. If I owned a game company, I would flat out fire anyone who attacked customers, of any system. Customers are the reason why you have a job. Customers are the reason why game developers and game journalists exist in the first place.

Wii is destroying the end goal of the Promised Land of “Lucid Dream Gaming”. The future of gaming will not be immersion. This is why the ‘hardcore’ are attacking the New Gen customers. They literally believe the New Gen customers are ‘destroying’ gaming and are a ‘filth’, as if they were barbarians now inside the gates.

No product’s prototype name was ever better labeled than the Wii’s “Revolution”. The ‘Revolution’ will rip the Undershot Customer, i.e. the ‘Core’ Gamer, from the throne of gaming, and replace him with the New Customer as the lead customer to rule the Kingdom of Gaming.



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

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I always have to say four words to these types of articles.....Wii is the Best every console has its up xbox = live so every console is cool and there should be no hatred for any console..



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Wii_Master said:
I always have to say four words to these types of articles.....Wii is the Best every console has its up xbox = live so every console is cool and there should be no hatred for any console..

I'm sorry, but this made no sense in my eyes.



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Not really... (thats my response to Malstrom)

Why does blue ocean theory sound a lot like your typical marketing/business ideals of finding untapped markets with less competition and the reward in general for 'give the people what they want'?

I like how his analogy with the Gamecube how he completely forgets that the PS2 completely dominated last generation and towards the end made ports unneccessary.

I like how he forgets that the Wii from the perspective of a western publisher with little market penetration in Japan has got closer to 44M Wii vs 50M for the Xbox 360 + PS3 and god knows how many applicable sales the Xbox 360 + PC or HD + PC combination brings.

I like how he assumes that every new gamer is a Wii gamer. What about WoW, Sims, and your general kids growing up with gaming?

Why does he talk about the hardcore so much? I thought he made it clear that he thinks they are irrelevant.

I see a lot of hate and bile being spewed at Prius drivers, yet noone calls them new car drivers. I see a lot of hate being spewed at Mac users and yet noone calls them new computer users.

It really amuses me that he doesn't understand that from a third party perspective, the closer the systems are the better ecosystem for them. Since he likes Japan a lot, how come he doesn't realise that the 'nail which sticks up is the first to be hammered down'.




Tease.

Killergran said:
Wii_Master said:
I always have to say four words to these types of articles.....Wii is the Best every console has its up xbox = live so every console is cool and there should be no hatred for any console..

I'm sorry, but this made no sense in my eyes.


well i mean to say that there should be no hatred for any console as each one has its own pros and cons...i know this has nothing to do with what you posted well alomst nothing



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People intimidated my Malstrom? lol



“When we make some new announcement and if there is no positive initial reaction from the market, I try to think of it as a good sign because that can be interpreted as people reacting to something groundbreaking. ...if the employees were always minding themselves to do whatever the market is requiring at any moment, and if they were always focusing on something we can sell right now for the short term, it would be very limiting. We are trying to think outside the box.” - Satoru Iwata - This is why corporate multinationals will never truly understand, or risk doing, what Nintendo does.

"The ‘Revolution’ will rip the Undershot Customer, i.e. the ‘Core’ Gamer, from the throne of gaming, and replace him with the New Customer as the lead customer to rule the Kingdom of Gaming."

And then these new customers will someday become core gamers, become snobby, and then have an even bigger snob write articles about them.



 

 

MontanaHatchet said:
"The ‘Revolution’ will rip the Undershot Customer, i.e. the ‘Core’ Gamer, from the throne of gaming, and replace him with the New Customer as the lead customer to rule the Kingdom of Gaming."

And then these new customers will someday become core gamers, become snobby, and then have an even bigger snob write articles about them.

You summed it up pretty well. Nintendo's been doing it ever since the NES.



Random game thought :
Why is Bionic Commando Rearmed 2 getting so much hate? We finally get a real game and they're not even satisfied... I'm starting to hate the gaming community so f****** much...

Watch my insane gameplay videos on my YouTube page!

Squilliam said:

Not really... (thats my response to Malstrom)

Why does blue ocean theory sound a lot like your typical marketing/business ideals of finding untapped markets with less competition and the reward in general for 'give the people what they want'?

I like how his analogy with the Gamecube how he completely forgets that the PS2 completely dominated last generation and towards the end made ports unneccessary.

I like how he forgets that the Wii from the perspective of a western publisher with little market penetration in Japan has got closer to 44M Wii vs 50M for the Xbox 360 + PS3 and god knows how many applicable sales the Xbox 360 + PC or HD + PC combination brings.

I like how he assumes that every new gamer is a Wii gamer. What about WoW, Sims, and your general kids growing up with gaming?

Why does he talk about the hardcore so much? I thought he made it clear that he thinks they are irrelevant.

I see a lot of hate and bile being spewed at Prius drivers, yet noone calls them new car drivers. I see a lot of hate being spewed at Mac users and yet noone calls them new computer users.

It really amuses me that he doesn't understand that from a third party perspective, the closer the systems are the better ecosystem for them. Since he likes Japan a lot, how come he doesn't realise that the 'nail which sticks up is the first to be hammered down'.


Why don't you ask him?  Clarify those questions a bit, and email them to him, he'll probably answer you on his page



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

MontanaHatchet said:
"The ‘Revolution’ will rip the Undershot Customer, i.e. the ‘Core’ Gamer, from the throne of gaming, and replace him with the New Customer as the lead customer to rule the Kingdom of Gaming."

And then these new customers will someday become core gamers, become snobby, and then have an even bigger snob write articles about them.

And then Nintendo will disrupt their market



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)