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dawve24 said:
Yes but at least try to look like you know what your talking about.

Meanwhile, details emerged of a second letter written by the Foreign Office minister Ivan Lewis to the Scottish justice minister, Kenny MacAskill, confirming that there were no legal reasons not to let Megrahi go and concluding: "I hope on this basis you will now feel able to consider the Libyan application."

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/aug/23/gordon-brown-letter-gaddafi-lockerbie

 

Hm.  Now why would the Foreign Minister's office write that?  Could it be because Gordon Brown told him too?  Why would the Foreign Office have anything to say in this matter?

You sound like the one who doesn't know what he's talking about.

 

From Quaddaffi himself.


"my friend Brown, his government, the Queen of Britain, Elizabeth, and Prince Andrew who all contributed to encouraging the Scottish government to take this historic and courageous decision".



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Pyro as Bill said:
dawve24 said:
Was internal scottish affairs devolved when lockerbie happened? Answer no.

Does David Cameron have any say on internal scottish affairs? Answer no.

Was he tried by a scottish court under scottish law? Answer Yes.

Does that mean he should be treated as others are treated? Answer yes and that means he should be treated as decided by our laws. The law can't be changed just because of international pressure placed on a government by other countries.

Do people still have the right to comment on this stupid decision made by a stupid politician? Answer  Yes.

im sorry you lack compassion, the Scotish system doesnt, and i admire it for it, in Scotland, the legal system isnt designed to exact vengance on others, it designed to rehabilite people and to make sure they no longer pose a threat to society, the UK system also i believe works in a similar way.



SciFiBoy said:
Pyro as Bill said:
dawve24 said:
Was internal scottish affairs devolved when lockerbie happened? Answer no.

Does David Cameron have any say on internal scottish affairs? Answer no.

Was he tried by a scottish court under scottish law? Answer Yes.

Does that mean he should be treated as others are treated? Answer yes and that means he should be treated as decided by our laws. The law can't be changed just because of international pressure placed on a government by other countries.

Do people still have the right to comment on this stupid decision made by a stupid politician? Answer  Yes.

im sorry you lack compassion, the Scotish system doesnt, and i admire it for it, in Scotland, the legal system isnt designed to exact vengance on others, it designed to rehabilite people and to make sure they no longer pose a threat to society, the UK system also i believe works in a similar way.

So your ignoring the fact this is a political move soley made for political reasons and that the entire british government basically forced the decision on the scots?


Nice.  I could insult you here.... but your insulting of him already makes you look bad enough.



Kasz216 said:
SciFiBoy said:
Pyro as Bill said:
dawve24 said:
Was internal scottish affairs devolved when lockerbie happened? Answer no.

Does David Cameron have any say on internal scottish affairs? Answer no.

Was he tried by a scottish court under scottish law? Answer Yes.

Does that mean he should be treated as others are treated? Answer yes and that means he should be treated as decided by our laws. The law can't be changed just because of international pressure placed on a government by other countries.

Do people still have the right to comment on this stupid decision made by a stupid politician? Answer  Yes.

im sorry you lack compassion, the Scotish system doesnt, and i admire it for it, in Scotland, the legal system isnt designed to exact vengance on others, it designed to rehabilite people and to make sure they no longer pose a threat to society, the UK system also i believe works in a similar way.

So your ignoring the fact this is a political move soley made for political reasons and that the entire british government basically forced the decision on the scots?


Nice.  I could insult you here.... but your insulting of him already makes you look bad enough.

oh please, your just reaching with most of what youre saying, i may aswel claim it was actually a move by the USA, im sure if you look hard enough that would make sense to you too.

im not insulting him, sad that you think i am really, im pointing out the difference between him and the scotish legal system, its not my fault if compassion offends you people.

 



SciFiBoy said:
Kasz216 said:
SciFiBoy said:
Pyro as Bill said:
dawve24 said:
Was internal scottish affairs devolved when lockerbie happened? Answer no.

Does David Cameron have any say on internal scottish affairs? Answer no.

Was he tried by a scottish court under scottish law? Answer Yes.

Does that mean he should be treated as others are treated? Answer yes and that means he should be treated as decided by our laws. The law can't be changed just because of international pressure placed on a government by other countries.

Do people still have the right to comment on this stupid decision made by a stupid politician? Answer  Yes.

im sorry you lack compassion, the Scotish system doesnt, and i admire it for it, in Scotland, the legal system isnt designed to exact vengance on others, it designed to rehabilite people and to make sure they no longer pose a threat to society, the UK system also i believe works in a similar way.

So your ignoring the fact this is a political move soley made for political reasons and that the entire british government basically forced the decision on the scots?


Nice.  I could insult you here.... but your insulting of him already makes you look bad enough.

oh please, your just reaching with most of what youre saying, i may aswel claim it was actually a move by the USA, im sure if you look hard enough that would make sense to you too.

im not insulting him, sad that you think i am really, im pointing out the difference between him and the scotish legal system, its not my fault if compassion offends you people.

 

Did you read the link I posted... did you read what Momar Quaddaffi said?  The guy who actually wanted the release.  He said specifically.

"my friend Brown, his government, the Queen of Britain, Elizabeth, and Prince Andrew who all contributed to encouraging the Scottish government to take this historic and courageous decision".

Why are you so blind to obvious facts?  Don't you read your own newspapers?



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Kasz216 said:

Did you read the link I posted... did you read what Momar Quaddaffi said?  The guy who actually wanted the release.  He said specifically.

"my friend Brown, his government, the Queen of Britain, Elizabeth, and Prince Andrew who all contributed to encouraging the Scottish government to take this historic and courageous decision".

Why are you so blind to obvious facts?

yeah, cause he said that because its true, not to cause embarresment to another nation...your reaching here...thats not evidence...thats rhetoric 



Stop being ridiculous again SciFi, pretty much every country has some way to allow compassionate or early release.

Jack Straw has just released Ronny Biggs on the exact same grounds. Difference is he didn't kill 270 people and wasn't welcomed back home a hero.



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SciFiBoy said:
Kasz216 said:

Did you read the link I posted... did you read what Momar Quaddaffi said?  The guy who actually wanted the release.  He said specifically.

"my friend Brown, his government, the Queen of Britain, Elizabeth, and Prince Andrew who all contributed to encouraging the Scottish government to take this historic and courageous decision".

Why are you so blind to obvious facts?

yeah, cause he said that because its true, not to cause embarresment to another nation...your reaching here...thats not evidence...thats rhetoric 

Well the fact that he stated it and there are letters that have been leaked by the scottish government showing the foreign office minister was pushing for it.

 

You know... had you read the article i read. 

You've really gotta learn to grow up and stop being blind to people to fit your own poltiical agenda. 



Pyro as Bill said:
Stop being ridiculous again SciFi, pretty much every country has some way to allow compassionate or early release.

Jack Straw has just released Ronny Biggs on the exact same grounds. Difference is he didn't kill 270 people and wasn't welcomed back home a hero.

compassion is compassion, either you believe it should be part of the system or you dont.

If it should be part of the system, it should be that way for anyone who qualifys for it.



SciFiBoy said:
Pyro as Bill said:
Stop being ridiculous again SciFi, pretty much every country has some way to allow compassionate or early release.

Jack Straw has just released Ronny Biggs on the exact same grounds. Difference is he didn't kill 270 people and wasn't welcomed back home a hero.

compassion is compassion, either you believe it should be part of the system or you dont.

If it should be part of the system, it should be that way for anyone who qualifys for it.

Oh... you just don't understand how compassionate releases actually work then... huh?

Should everyone who qualifies for parol be parolled too?

Cause people who kill people in prison are still qualfied for parol technically.

You just need to learn more about the legal system... that makes more sense.