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gebx on 20 March 2007

dallas said: RolStoppable said: dallas said: 3. The high-def battle will not take years. If blu-ray is ALREADY selling 3:1 over its competitor the end has to be near. So you think that when it gets down to 10:1 that microsoft will keep going against all odds? Won't happen. Isn't DVD outselling blu-ray and hd-dvd combined by like 10:1? It will take quite some time before any HD-format can out-perform the old standard. Xbox360/PS3 also seem to have problems to outsell PS2. Comparing the next-generation of DVD's to sales of the previous is faulty, b/c the newer gen's sales will always be lower. Hybrid sales are lower than cars powered only by combustion engines, the intel core 2 duo is going to sell much higher for a while than the core 2 quatro, etc. Now, what matters are the sales of the blu-ray to the HDVDD in terms of who will win. The corporate analysts have already determined that high-def DVD's are here to stay the only question is who will lead the way.
Yeah, and corporate analysts are never wrong... Is it possible that next-generation DVD's flop.... yes it's a possibility. How likely? not sure, but I don't plan on buying either BR or HD until there's a clear winner. Oh and a clear winner isn't BR because it outsold HD DVD for a total of two months. A clear winner is when HD DVD or BR dissappears just like the UMD's.



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Kwaad on 20 March 2007

RolStoppable said: http://thewiikly.zogdog.com/article.php?article=89&ed=10&p=2 People are not interested in technology that enriches what they already have. They are interested in technology that enriches their lifestyle. The cassette tape was inferior to the home devices at the time, but it did allow the Walkman. The CD replaced the cassette tape not just because it was better quality, but it was much easier to listen to music (pick the track and you go! No re-winding). CDs were then replaced with the MP3. The MP3 is inferior quality to the CD but the MP3 allows a more flexible lifestyle. You can do much more with a MP3 than you can with a CD. The market understood that. DVD replaced VHS not just because it was better quality, but because the DVD made watching movies so much easier. No more rewinding or fast forwarding to get to scenes (unless you wanted to). The DVD also stored better. Just as the CD got replaced by the MP3, the DVD will be replaced by a digital file. Blu-Ray and HD-DVD will not survive. Even Youtube is gaining more traction than HD-TV. Sean Malstrom seems to know what he is talking about in all of his articles on the wiikly. The paragraphs above are pasted from an article dated november 20, just read it and look how he has seen what is happening right now with this "console wars". He has very good points and delivers lots of facts which make him credible.
I wanna say 3 things. 1. BluRay has already won. Every 3BluRay movies sold... You get 1HD-DVD. The gap is growing. 2. Why do people go to the movies? To see the movie in ultra high quality on a stupid big screen. HDTV (1080p) is basically the same as a movie theater. (some people have said it is MUCH lower... I say it is higher) 3. In refrence to 2. If you want a STUPID big screen. a 40inch 1080p TV, you can sit 24inches. (2feet, your legs are almost under the TV) from it, and it looks FINE. I hate SDTV. It looks so flat, bland, colorless.



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shams on 21 March 2007

RolStoppable said: So far bluray and hddvd are only for a small segment of the market, people who own hdtv. You can't say that bluray will be the new standard. It may outsell hddvd right now, but it still has a long way down the road to surpass its precedessor, the dvd. All we can do is wait and see, just like this console war isn't over yet, although I really believe in Malstrom's article "why wii won".
I agree completely. BluRay may have an advantage at this point - so what. Its still not even 1% of the DVD market. I predict that before BluRay even has a chance of "winning" - a new tech will be launched that will make it obsolete. Its a completely *unnecessary* piece of technology - miniDisc had its followers as well ;)



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Kwaad on 21 March 2007

in 2009 (I think) you will not be able to buy a SDTV. In all honesty, if your willing to get a 30-ish inch DLP HDTV... you can get them for cheap now. 5 years ago. 32inch SDTV for about 500-1000$ Today. 32inch Samsung (damn good quaility) 800$. HDTVs are starting to hit what regular TV was 5 years ago. 2007 is the year of HD. I think it sucks DMC4 is going 360/PC for PS3. But then agian. I kinda... lost intrest after the 2nd one. the 3rd one was 'meh' to me. DMC4 is NOT one of the games I plan on buying. I also expected this to go multiplatform. (refrence the 3 month old capcom going multiplatform articles) EDIT: I just looked up the prices. A 32inch 'SDTV' tube. Will cost you 620$ (today) And I found a 32inch LCD 720p 750$ Neither are big name/expensive. EDIT2: I know this is a crap quality TV. http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=4104443 But still it is less than 900$, 52inches... and HDTV. How much cheaper can it get? EDIT3: http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=5031323 That is the 900$ 32inch Samsung. You will be hard pressed to find a better screen for less.



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fooflexible on 21 March 2007

You know alot of people keep talking about what will win blu-ray or hd-dvd, but no one has really considered the idea that neither may win. Remember Laser discs? They were supposed to bring a new era and no one ever took to them. I think finally people took to dvds, and now there being told to buy something new, a medium that has no rentable content and the films out there to purchase are expensive. Don't get me wrong the hi-def picture quality is the way to go, but personally even if I owned a ps3 I'd still buy dvds, they're way cheaper, I can let friends borrow them, I can play them on all 4 of my tvs being that I have four dvd players now. I see this war for the average user still being a good five years off. Right now shelling out a grand(even 600 bucks) on a player and 35 bucks a pop on a video and not being able to rent films just sucks. Not to mention in my opinion films are not games, I can easily get 10-20 hours out of a game and sell it back to the store for 20 bucks. But films I buy to keep and still only watch them 2 maybe 3 times. So 35 dollars is insane, I really hope this price comes down, otherwise I don't see people bothering.



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sieanr on 21 March 2007

Kwaad said: 1. BluRay has already won. Every 3BluRay movies sold... You get 1HD-DVD. The gap is growing.
This was true around January but not anymore. Bluray sales have dropped considerably and are near the level of HD DVD, and add to this the newly announced titles ect. and the format war is almost back to where it was before the PS3's launch, albeit with a slight Blu lead.



Leo-j said: If a dvd for a pc game holds what? Crysis at 3000p or something, why in the world cant a blu-ray disc do the same?

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Kwaad on 21 March 2007

sieanr said: Kwaad said: 1. BluRay has already won. Every 3BluRay movies sold... You get 1HD-DVD. The gap is growing. This was true around January but not anymore. Bluray sales have dropped considerably and are near the level of HD DVD, and add to this the newly announced titles ect. and the format war is almost back to where it was before the PS3's launch, albeit with a slight Blu lead.
http://www.eproductwars.com/dvd/ Amazon sales show a major BluRay lead. (amazon isnt 100% of the market... ... but yeah)



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HappySqurriel on 21 March 2007

Kwaad, Suppose you're right and over the next couple of months people stop buying HD-DVD and Blu-Ray captures 100% of the HD market. Laser Disc didn't have competition from a similar format yet people didn't choose Laser Disc on any large scale; most people stuck with the (much) lower resolution VHS with less features because Laser Disc didn't provide enough of a benefit for most people. Blu-Ray could easily find itself in the same market position as Laser Disc did 15 years ago; an expensive toy for audiophiles/videophiles. Now, inspite of what everyone seems to think, HDTVs are increasing in market share has very little to do with higher resolution or image quality; my 720p CRT HDTV was $500 two years ago and still provides a far better image than any plasma or LCD 720p TV on the market and yet Plasma and LCD tvs are the ones that are selling. Most HDTVs are sold because they're large flat panel displays which are status symbols and look better in people's living room than a CRT TV. Walk into people's homes and look at their "HDTV" setup and you will find that (in most cases) their DVD player, XBox 360/PS3, and digital cable box are all hooked up using RCA ... In other words they spent thousands of dollars on equipment which produces HD images yet it is all hooked up at 480i ...



kber81 on 21 March 2007

HappySqurriel said: my 720p CRT HDTV was $500 two years ago and still provides a far better image than any plasma or LCD 720p TV on the market and yet Plasma and LCD tvs are the ones that are selling. 480i ...
I don't know what kind of CRT- HDTV you are using but models (Samsung SW32Z419, Philips 32PW9551/12) I was testing aren't so cool at all. Colours are great (black is really black) but sharpness and geometry are poor (menus looks really deformed around corners - especially on this slim Samsung) I also prefer LCD because it's much more eye-friendly. Just my opinion, maybe you are using something much more superior than CRT I know.



zukaus on 21 March 2007

Kwaad said: 1. BluRay has already won. Every 3BluRay movies sold... You get 1HD-DVD. The gap is growing.
Kwaad, you could use the exact same argument for the current console war except replace Blue-Ray with the Wii and HD-DVD with PS3. Like this... Wii has already won. Every 3 Wii (systems/games) sold... You get 1 PS3 (system/game). The gap is growing. Seems like you want to use the numbers when they support your argument, and yet you choose to ignore them when they go against you. Frankly I think it's too early to declare anybody the winner in either race but you always seem to cherry pick the facts to blindly support your side.