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JGarret on 15 August 2009
SaviorX said:
Destroyer_of_knights said:
SaviorX said:
Destroyer_of_knights said:
theARTIST0017 said:
You know. The Wii is a refreshing break from playing so much HD (360, PS3) and I think that is one of the points Savior is making but I will have to admit I do hope next time around Nintendo launches a super powered HD console with a combination of Classic Style and Motion control because HD is nice too.

Iwata already said that their next Nintendo console will do HD, and it's a given that it will happen, however, Nintendo being Nintendo and wanting to make profit on day 1, and selling for their usual price point of around 200 bucks...one can already guess that their next console won't be super powered HD, instead will see a cheap but high performance set up capable of doing 720p standard, something near to what the current HD machines can do...they will however be behind Sony and Microsoft in terms of tech and raw power come next generation.

Now I'm not saying that Sony or Microsoft will go all out as they've done this generation, but they have established technology that they will use such as CELL in PS3, but it will simply have more cores and such, along with more RAM and a better more console centric graphics chip, most likely it will be priced at $400 day one...no one will ever be touching that $600 price tag ever again.

take that as you like, since it's just my own opinion.

I think when theARTIST0017 means "break from HD", he means the limited genres that such consoles cover, primarily being Shooting/Sports titles.

 

I agree with you on Nintendo's progression for the next-gen. I doubt they would release anything that passes the $299.99 barrier and it must be cost effective. The difference in power will not be as wide next generation as it was in this one. It will be like the PS2/Xbox/Gamecube, with the Wii 2 being the PS2 in this case, and the other consoles being interchangeable.

Wow hold your horses buddy, that's arrogant talk, and it's what got Sony 3rd place...and in any case we could see the next Microsoft console be top dog, one just never knows  ;)

I mean graphically. The Ps2 was the 'weakest' console last gen, but not weak enough that it couldn't run a GC game (minor downgrade, like Resident Evil 4). Those consoles could've had a multiplatform game, and they would all look about the same. I'm assuming the same thing will happen next generation.

The SNES was the last Nintendo home console where I could get Nintendo´s 1st party titles + most of the "big important" 3rd party titles on a single machine...I wonder if their next system (I´ll call it 'N6') will finally return to that.



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Roflinator on 15 August 2009
dorbin2009 said:
I'm not sure how much ground this argument holds.

Two things.

1) Hardcore gamers on the Wii do not sell as well as they would on the 360 and PS3. Case in point = The conduit, madworld, punchout, etc etc. It is not like any old development studio can make a game for the Wii and be rest assured it is going to be a success. The only games that really thrive on the system are casual games, party games, RPGS, and Nintendo exclusives. It forces developers to have to make games that, quite honestly, aren't desired on the other two systems. I am aware that Natal was made to appeal to the same audience that the Wii appeals to, but honestly that leads me to my second point..

2) Wii didn't take any bullet. If anything it saw the bullet coming and built a hole through its wall to let it pass through painlessly. What the system did, is rejuvenate a company into the powerhouse it once was. It is VERY hard to hate Nintendo as much as people hate Sony and Microsoft, and even now people talk about MS being the arrogant one even though the Wii has a 20 million lead on the 360. Unfortunately though, the Wii changed the gaming landscape , and some of it is great, and some of it not so much. The first evidence of these changes can be found in the new Madden 10. Where both the 360 and PS3 versions are gritty, amazing looking, complex, and authentic, the Wii version has stretched out cartoon characters, 5 on 5 football, and an "I win" button. Why? Because EA, for all of their shortcomings, has figured out that the key to the Wii is to "lighten it up". Unfortunately I sense a trend here that is bound to continue.

I'm not bashing the Wii at all, but when I play games like Halo and Bioshock, I have to wonder, 5-10 years down the road , when the next round of systems have come out, just how much the business model is going to revolve around the groundwork the Wii placed. And whether or not "Serious gamers" are going to have a place to rejoice, or mourn

MadWorld shouldn't even be mentioned on the "hardcore games dont sell as well on the wii" sentences. That game was really niche, it wouldn't sell amazingly no matter what console.



Destroyer_of_knights on 15 August 2009
SaviorX said:
Destroyer_of_knights said:
SaviorX said:
Destroyer_of_knights said:
theARTIST0017 said:
You know. The Wii is a refreshing break from playing so much HD (360, PS3) and I think that is one of the points Savior is making but I will have to admit I do hope next time around Nintendo launches a super powered HD console with a combination of Classic Style and Motion control because HD is nice too.

Iwata already said that their next Nintendo console will do HD, and it's a given that it will happen, however, Nintendo being Nintendo and wanting to make profit on day 1, and selling for their usual price point of around 200 bucks...one can already guess that their next console won't be super powered HD, instead will see a cheap but high performance set up capable of doing 720p standard, something near to what the current HD machines can do...they will however be behind Sony and Microsoft in terms of tech and raw power come next generation.

Now I'm not saying that Sony or Microsoft will go all out as they've done this generation, but they have established technology that they will use such as CELL in PS3, but it will simply have more cores and such, along with more RAM and a better more console centric graphics chip, most likely it will be priced at $400 day one...no one will ever be touching that $600 price tag ever again.

take that as you like, since it's just my own opinion.

I think when theARTIST0017 means "break from HD", he means the limited genres that such consoles cover, primarily being Shooting/Sports titles.

 

I agree with you on Nintendo's progression for the next-gen. I doubt they would release anything that passes the $299.99 barrier and it must be cost effective. The difference in power will not be as wide next generation as it was in this one. It will be like the PS2/Xbox/Gamecube, with the Wii 2 being the PS2 in this case, and the other consoles being interchangeable.

Wow hold your horses buddy, that's arrogant talk, and it's what got Sony 3rd place...and in any case we could see the next Microsoft console be top dog, one just never knows  ;)

I mean graphically. The Ps2 was the 'weakest' console last gen, but not weak enough that it couldn't run a GC game (minor downgrade, like Resident Evil 4). Those consoles could've had a multiplatform game, and they would all look about the same. I'm assuming the same thing will happen next generation.

Actually it was the Sega Dream cast that was the weakest console last gen not the PS2, it just so happens that the dream cast just died before the release of the xbox and gamecube, but apart from that I agree with the multiplatform portion of what you said.



Video_Game_Critic on 15 August 2009
Destroyer_of_knights said:

Now now, Sony was very creative with the PS2, releasing the innovative eyetoy which neither it's competition did, as well as establishing Singstar, so do give credit where credit is due.

Also, Sony had some wii motion like stuff working way back in 2000, so I wouldn't say Sony is copying Nintendo at all, but it could even be that it's the other way around, take that as you like but here's a video, watch and see for your self.

 

Nintendo had motion controls way back in 1989.

Sony borrowed Motion Controls, D-Pad, Shoulder Buttons and Rumble Pak from Nintendo.



SnesTea on 15 August 2009

You guys and your 1080p:

http://www.freewebs.com/wii1080p/

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=3651

I am so old. I remember that thread.



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Kasz216 on 15 August 2009

Also the competition did release an eyetoy device.

It was called the Dream eye for the Dreamcast.

Sega copied sony so fast that it was out even befroe Sony thought of the idea.



BoneArk on 15 August 2009

If the Wii were to be in HD, the price of the Wii would be $300-$400 range.



                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   

NJ5 on 15 August 2009

So GRIN went out of business? Hadn't noticed that yet.

And to think a couple of years ago I was applying for a job there...

 



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