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Slimebeast on 14 August 2009
The_vagabond7 said:
Slimebeast said:
The_vagabond7 said:

Poe's Law states:
“ Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing."

poe's law is a tag on this video. It's a parody, as slimebeast says.

 

I'm an atheist, and I know plenty of fundies that are this ignorant, but this is a parody to prove poes law. Which has been done quite successfully, seeing as how I saw this video on the Richard Dawkins Forums earlier this week. While slimebeast can claim victory on this one, it still says something about how religious fundementalism is rapidly aging in modern society.  I live in Kentucky, and I can say that what is portrayed in this is a reality in many places you go. Granted this only applies to fundementalists and not liberal christians, but there are no shortage of fundementalists in the US. There are an abundance of legitimate websites (like answers in genesis) and spokespeople that would be completely impossible to discern as parody or reality when put next to things such as this. When it's impossible to tell a joke from reality, then the reality has become the joke.


No, just stop it. There are extreme cases among any sub-group be it christians, muslims, commies, racial minorities, environmentalists, nazis, liberals, peace activists, animal activists, freedom fighters, nationalists, psychologists, social workers, politicians and so on. There's fundamentalists in all these groups I listed.

"There are an abundance of legitimate websites (like answers in genesis) and spokespeople that would be completely impossible to discern as parody or reality when put next to things such as this" is just mean and ill-witted.

You are burnt and ashamed that you were a religious zealot. Psychologically speaking, it seems you're trying to over-compensate for your past errors. Your criticism aint valid.

 

I'm not anti-christian. I would agree that there are fundementalists in all groups. But the US has a glut of religious fundementalists. And if you notice in my post I didn't say "Christianity is aging in modern society." I said Fundementalism is. So obviously I'm talking about fundementalists. And answers in genesis is daft, it is a sespool of ignorance. That's not mean, that's true. People like Kirk Cameron and ray comfort are laughing stocks to everyone except those that eat it up in earnest. Ray Comforts famous "Banana's are from god" bit could just as easily be a poe's law video.

 

Nearly half of the US thinks that the earth is 6000 years old, the majority of the US doesn't believe in evolution. When it comes to religious fundementalism the US is quickly becoming a joke among an increasingly liberal (religiously) world. The rest of the world is leaving biblical literalism behind as the ignorance and superstitions that it is. But America is desperately clinging onto them to the point that it is both disturbing and laughable.

 

I'd appreciate it if you didn't try to make it personal, and say that psychologically speaking I cannot have a voice about the state of religion in the US. When I say I was a zealot, I was still more liberal than alot of the US (I wasn't a young earth creationist). My critisisms are perfectly valid, and your ad hominem doesn't some how make answers in genesis a thoughtful and scientific website.


They're not that dumb as u say, not even AiG (well, clearly not them because they're a lot higher than average IQ and knowledge compared to the average Christian person in the world). U are comparing them to this video in the OP? Show me something outside the banana example (which I think is misunderstood, misrepresented or he made it with a blink in his eye, or a mix sort of).

So what if half of US thinks the earth is 6000 years old? People below average IQ can't judge these facts anyway, they almost completely have to take the issue about evolution vs creation by blind faith on higher authority.

Try to discuss evolution/science/religion with an average IQ 99 or lower person of any faith or unfaith, and you'll find it's completely meaningless simply because they lack intelligence and you'll find that their views are based on higher authority not their own analysis.

In short, the topic about evolution-creation is not a topic for dummies, and while I agree the US is laughing stock in the world already due to the high proportion of creationists, most people who mock them lack the skills themselves to brain-crunch any science, they just happen to have been brain-washed with the mainstream scientific theory.



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The_vagabond7 on 14 August 2009
Slimebeast said:
The_vagabond7 said:

I'm not anti-christian. I would agree that there are fundementalists in all groups. But the US has a glut of religious fundementalists. And if you notice in my post I didn't say "Christianity is aging in modern society." I said Fundementalism is. So obviously I'm talking about fundementalists. And answers in genesis is daft, it is a sespool of ignorance. That's not mean, that's true. People like Kirk Cameron and ray comfort are laughing stocks to everyone except those that eat it up in earnest. Ray Comforts famous "Banana's are from god" bit could just as easily be a poe's law video.

 

Nearly half of the US thinks that the earth is 6000 years old, the majority of the US doesn't believe in evolution. When it comes to religious fundementalism the US is quickly becoming a joke among an increasingly liberal (religiously) world. The rest of the world is leaving biblical literalism behind as the ignorance and superstitions that it is. But America is desperately clinging onto them to the point that it is both disturbing and laughable.

 

I'd appreciate it if you didn't try to make it personal, and say that psychologically speaking I cannot have a voice about the state of religion in the US. When I say I was a zealot, I was still more liberal than alot of the US (I wasn't a young earth creationist). My critisisms are perfectly valid, and your ad hominem doesn't some how make answers in genesis a thoughtful and scientific website.


They're not that dumb as u say, not even AiG (well, clearly not them because they're a lot higher than average IQ and knowledge compared to the average Christian person in the world). U are comparing them to this video in the OP? Show me something outside the banana example (which I think is misunderstood, misrepresented or he made it with a blink in his eye, or a mix sort of).

So what if half of US thinks the earth is 6000 years old? People below average IQ can't judge these facts anyway, they almost completely have to take the issue about evolution vs creation by blind faith on higher authority.

Try to discuss evolution/science/religion with an average IQ 99 or lower person of any faith or unfaith, and you'll find it's completely meaningless simply because they lack intelligence and you'll find that their views are based on higher authority not their own analysis.

In short, the topic about evolution-creation is not a topic for dummies, and while I agree the US is laughing stock in the world already due to the high proportion of creationists, most people who mock them lack the skills themselves to brain-crunch any science, they just happen to have been brain-washed with the mainstream scientific theory.

...so....wait...did you just say that they aren't as dumb as I claim, then say that the majority of the US is of below average intelligence, and that most people's religious beliefs stem from them being too stupid to reason? I'm confused here because on one hand you acknowledge that the US is a laughing stock because of the abundance of creationists, and then on the other hand claim that the creationists aren't as stupid as I think, and then on some third hand claim that most of them believe that way because of their own ignorance. I am confuzzled.

And yes, AiG is that stupid. Just because they discuss how carbon dating works doesn't mean they aren't grossly misapplying it to show that the earth is 6000 years old. Using big words doesn't a make for a smart person if they can't use any of the big words right.



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Slimebeast on 14 August 2009
The_vagabond7 said:
Slimebeast said:
The_vagabond7 said:
 

I'm not anti-christian. I would agree that there are fundementalists in all groups. But the US has a glut of religious fundementalists. And if you notice in my post I didn't say "Christianity is aging in modern society." I said Fundementalism is. So obviously I'm talking about fundementalists. And answers in genesis is daft, it is a sespool of ignorance. That's not mean, that's true. People like Kirk Cameron and ray comfort are laughing stocks to everyone except those that eat it up in earnest. Ray Comforts famous "Banana's are from god" bit could just as easily be a poe's law video.

 

Nearly half of the US thinks that the earth is 6000 years old, the majority of the US doesn't believe in evolution. When it comes to religious fundementalism the US is quickly becoming a joke among an increasingly liberal (religiously) world. The rest of the world is leaving biblical literalism behind as the ignorance and superstitions that it is. But America is desperately clinging onto them to the point that it is both disturbing and laughable.

 

I'd appreciate it if you didn't try to make it personal, and say that psychologically speaking I cannot have a voice about the state of religion in the US. When I say I was a zealot, I was still more liberal than alot of the US (I wasn't a young earth creationist). My critisisms are perfectly valid, and your ad hominem doesn't some how make answers in genesis a thoughtful and scientific website.


They're not that dumb as u say, not even AiG (well, clearly not them because they're a lot higher than average IQ and knowledge compared to the average Christian person in the world). U are comparing them to this video in the OP? Show me something outside the banana example (which I think is misunderstood, misrepresented or he made it with a blink in his eye, or a mix sort of).

So what if half of US thinks the earth is 6000 years old? People below average IQ can't judge these facts anyway, they almost completely have to take the issue about evolution vs creation by blind faith on higher authority.

Try to discuss evolution/science/religion with an average IQ 99 or lower person of any faith or unfaith, and you'll find it's completely meaningless simply because they lack intelligence and you'll find that their views are based on higher authority not their own analysis.

In short, the topic about evolution-creation is not a topic for dummies, and while I agree the US is laughing stock in the world already due to the high proportion of creationists, most people who mock them lack the skills themselves to brain-crunch any science, they just happen to have been brain-washed with the mainstream scientific theory.

1. ...so....wait...did you just say that they aren't as dumb as I claim, then say that the majority of the US is of below average intelligence, and that most people's religious beliefs stem from them being too stupid to reason? I'm confused here because on one hand you acknowledge that the US is a laughing stock because of the abundance of creationists, and then on the other hand claim that the creationists aren't as stupid as I think, and then on some third hand claim that most of them believe that way because of their own ignorance. I am confuzzled.

2. And yes, AiG is that stupid. Just because they discuss how carbon dating works doesn't mean they aren't grossly misapplying it to show that the earth is 6000 years old. Using big words doesn't a make for a smart person if they can't use any of the big words right.

1. Yes, it got a lil confusing there. Im running two arguments - first, you are comparing a fairly complicated and intellect-demanding topic such as evolution/creation, to the topic of this thread and the video in the OP, which portrays extreme ignorance which I instantly called fake - a level of ignorance that's rare (thread is even named to 'definition of ignorance'). Second, Im objecting that youre taking the high proportion of creationists in the US as evidence of ignorance being widespread (again, remember the OP - the ignorance level shown there about Indians not being Asians, and these girls telling they can't be friends etc) - when in fact it demands a fairly high IQ to be able to make an educated stand on the issue to begin with. So in reality, you're thinking the masses are ignorant too - because most of them are evolutionists only by faith thanks to higher authority, not thanks to their intellect.

2. In that case the majority of people are stupid (which I don't disagree with, in fact), because being able to even discuss carbon dating on the level that AiG does, demands a higher than average IQ, even if they happen to be mostly wrong. A person can be fairly, or even highly intelligent, but be wrong about something.

 



Craan on 14 August 2009

Jesus Created America's planet in 6 days and on the 7th he took a nap.

everyone knows that silly



The_vagabond7 on 14 August 2009
Slimebeast said:
The_vagabond7 said:
Slimebeast said:
The_vagabond7 said:
 

I'm not anti-christian. I would agree that there are fundementalists in all groups. But the US has a glut of religious fundementalists. And if you notice in my post I didn't say "Christianity is aging in modern society." I said Fundementalism is. So obviously I'm talking about fundementalists. And answers in genesis is daft, it is a sespool of ignorance. That's not mean, that's true. People like Kirk Cameron and ray comfort are laughing stocks to everyone except those that eat it up in earnest. Ray Comforts famous "Banana's are from god" bit could just as easily be a poe's law video.

 

Nearly half of the US thinks that the earth is 6000 years old, the majority of the US doesn't believe in evolution. When it comes to religious fundementalism the US is quickly becoming a joke among an increasingly liberal (religiously) world. The rest of the world is leaving biblical literalism behind as the ignorance and superstitions that it is. But America is desperately clinging onto them to the point that it is both disturbing and laughable.

 

I'd appreciate it if you didn't try to make it personal, and say that psychologically speaking I cannot have a voice about the state of religion in the US. When I say I was a zealot, I was still more liberal than alot of the US (I wasn't a young earth creationist). My critisisms are perfectly valid, and your ad hominem doesn't some how make answers in genesis a thoughtful and scientific website.


They're not that dumb as u say, not even AiG (well, clearly not them because they're a lot higher than average IQ and knowledge compared to the average Christian person in the world). U are comparing them to this video in the OP? Show me something outside the banana example (which I think is misunderstood, misrepresented or he made it with a blink in his eye, or a mix sort of).

So what if half of US thinks the earth is 6000 years old? People below average IQ can't judge these facts anyway, they almost completely have to take the issue about evolution vs creation by blind faith on higher authority.

Try to discuss evolution/science/religion with an average IQ 99 or lower person of any faith or unfaith, and you'll find it's completely meaningless simply because they lack intelligence and you'll find that their views are based on higher authority not their own analysis.

In short, the topic about evolution-creation is not a topic for dummies, and while I agree the US is laughing stock in the world already due to the high proportion of creationists, most people who mock them lack the skills themselves to brain-crunch any science, they just happen to have been brain-washed with the mainstream scientific theory.

1. ...so....wait...did you just say that they aren't as dumb as I claim, then say that the majority of the US is of below average intelligence, and that most people's religious beliefs stem from them being too stupid to reason? I'm confused here because on one hand you acknowledge that the US is a laughing stock because of the abundance of creationists, and then on the other hand claim that the creationists aren't as stupid as I think, and then on some third hand claim that most of them believe that way because of their own ignorance. I am confuzzled.

2. And yes, AiG is that stupid. Just because they discuss how carbon dating works doesn't mean they aren't grossly misapplying it to show that the earth is 6000 years old. Using big words doesn't a make for a smart person if they can't use any of the big words right.

1. Yes, it got a lil confusing there. Im running two arguments - first, you are comparing a fairly complicated and intellect-demanding topic such as evolution/creation, to the topic of this thread and the video in the OP, which portrays extreme ignorance which I instantly called fake - a level of ignorance that's rare (thread is even named to 'definition of ignorance'). Second, Im objecting that youre taking the high proportion of creationists in the US as evidence of ignorance being widespread (again, remember the OP - the ignorance level shown there about Indians not being Asians, and these girls telling they can't be friends etc) - when in fact it demands a fairly high IQ to be able to make an educated stand on the issue to begin with. So in reality, you're thinking the masses are ignorant too - because most of them are evolutionists only by faith thanks to higher authority, not thanks to their intellect.

2. In that case the majority of people are stupid (which I don't disagree with, in fact), because being able to even discuss carbon dating on the level that AiG does, demands a higher than average IQ, even if they happen to be mostly wrong. A person can be fairly, or even highly intelligent, but be wrong about something.

 

I can see what you're saying and agree to an extent. Believing evolution doesn't make you educated or smart. You can take that on faith as much as anything. But believing as fundementalist christians do, absolutely makes you ignorant. There is no way to reconcile the earth being 6000 years old, and Noah's flood as a literal historical event and not being ignorant. The two do not mix. Also, I would posit that the level of ignorance in this video is not in anyway rare. Come to Kentucky and visit a diner and have a discussion with the average person here. The ignorance in this video is not far off base. The education levels in rural kentucky are woefully low. Furthermore asserting that the earth is older than 6000 years old is not some esoteric topic that would be hard for the layman to crack. And yet almost half the US believes it to be true.

Having information isn't the same as intelligence. Anyone can have knowledge at their disposal. But being able to understand the information, reason on it and apply it correctly is what makes a person intelligent. Which is why I say AiG is so daft. An article on carbon dating may have lots of information on carbon dating, but the way they use that information is so grossly ignorant that it cannot be called "smart" at all. It's like reading the book "Evolution or Creation" (a jehovah's witness book), which has lots of "information" about various scientific theories. But their understanding, and application of said information is so far off base no one in their right mind could call it a smart book. It's not a matter of being right or wrong, a smart person can of course be wrong. It's a matter of actually comprehending the material sitting before you, and just showing it and making egregiously bad assertions based on it.



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Moongoddess256 on 14 August 2009

One of my friends the other day was going on about the Indians in Africa. He was dead serious.

Edit: 1337!!!



[2:08:58 am] Moongoddess256: being asian makes you naturally good at ddr
[2:09:22 am] gnizmo: its a weird genetic thing
[2:09:30 am] gnizmo: goes back to hunting giant crabs in feudal Japan

nen-suer on 15 August 2009
hatmoza said:
I find this thread to be so ironic coming from someone that thinks Iran is an Arabic country.

uh-oh



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tedsteriscool on 15 August 2009

One "regular" one and one Indian one...

omfg...



Slimebeast on 15 August 2009
The_vagabond7 said:
Slimebeast said:
The_vagabond7 said:
Slimebeast said:
The_vagabond7 said:
 

I'm not anti-christian. I would agree that there are fundementalists in all groups. But the US has a glut of religious fundementalists. And if you notice in my post I didn't say "Christianity is aging in modern society." I said Fundementalism is. So obviously I'm talking about fundementalists. And answers in genesis is daft, it is a sespool of ignorance. That's not mean, that's true. People like Kirk Cameron and ray comfort are laughing stocks to everyone except those that eat it up in earnest. Ray Comforts famous "Banana's are from god" bit could just as easily be a poe's law video.

 

Nearly half of the US thinks that the earth is 6000 years old, the majority of the US doesn't believe in evolution. When it comes to religious fundementalism the US is quickly becoming a joke among an increasingly liberal (religiously) world. The rest of the world is leaving biblical literalism behind as the ignorance and superstitions that it is. But America is desperately clinging onto them to the point that it is both disturbing and laughable.

 

I'd appreciate it if you didn't try to make it personal, and say that psychologically speaking I cannot have a voice about the state of religion in the US. When I say I was a zealot, I was still more liberal than alot of the US (I wasn't a young earth creationist). My critisisms are perfectly valid, and your ad hominem doesn't some how make answers in genesis a thoughtful and scientific website.


They're not that dumb as u say, not even AiG (well, clearly not them because they're a lot higher than average IQ and knowledge compared to the average Christian person in the world). U are comparing them to this video in the OP? Show me something outside the banana example (which I think is misunderstood, misrepresented or he made it with a blink in his eye, or a mix sort of).

So what if half of US thinks the earth is 6000 years old? People below average IQ can't judge these facts anyway, they almost completely have to take the issue about evolution vs creation by blind faith on higher authority.

Try to discuss evolution/science/religion with an average IQ 99 or lower person of any faith or unfaith, and you'll find it's completely meaningless simply because they lack intelligence and you'll find that their views are based on higher authority not their own analysis.

In short, the topic about evolution-creation is not a topic for dummies, and while I agree the US is laughing stock in the world already due to the high proportion of creationists, most people who mock them lack the skills themselves to brain-crunch any science, they just happen to have been brain-washed with the mainstream scientific theory.

1. ...so....wait...did you just say that they aren't as dumb as I claim, then say that the majority of the US is of below average intelligence, and that most people's religious beliefs stem from them being too stupid to reason? I'm confused here because on one hand you acknowledge that the US is a laughing stock because of the abundance of creationists, and then on the other hand claim that the creationists aren't as stupid as I think, and then on some third hand claim that most of them believe that way because of their own ignorance. I am confuzzled.

2. And yes, AiG is that stupid. Just because they discuss how carbon dating works doesn't mean they aren't grossly misapplying it to show that the earth is 6000 years old. Using big words doesn't a make for a smart person if they can't use any of the big words right.

1. Yes, it got a lil confusing there. Im running two arguments - first, you are comparing a fairly complicated and intellect-demanding topic such as evolution/creation, to the topic of this thread and the video in the OP, which portrays extreme ignorance which I instantly called fake - a level of ignorance that's rare (thread is even named to 'definition of ignorance'). Second, Im objecting that youre taking the high proportion of creationists in the US as evidence of ignorance being widespread (again, remember the OP - the ignorance level shown there about Indians not being Asians, and these girls telling they can't be friends etc) - when in fact it demands a fairly high IQ to be able to make an educated stand on the issue to begin with. So in reality, you're thinking the masses are ignorant too - because most of them are evolutionists only by faith thanks to higher authority, not thanks to their intellect.

2. In that case the majority of people are stupid (which I don't disagree with, in fact), because being able to even discuss carbon dating on the level that AiG does, demands a higher than average IQ, even if they happen to be mostly wrong. A person can be fairly, or even highly intelligent, but be wrong about something.

 

I can see what you're saying and agree to an extent. Believing evolution doesn't make you educated or smart. You can take that on faith as much as anything. But believing as fundementalist christians do, absolutely makes you ignorant. There is no way to reconcile the earth being 6000 years old, and Noah's flood as a literal historical event and not being ignorant. The two do not mix. Also, I would posit that the level of ignorance in this video is not in anyway rare. Come to Kentucky and visit a diner and have a discussion with the average person here. The ignorance in this video is not far off base. The education levels in rural kentucky are woefully low. Furthermore asserting that the earth is older than 6000 years old is not some esoteric topic that would be hard for the layman to crack. And yet almost half the US believes it to be true.

Having information isn't the same as intelligence. Anyone can have knowledge at their disposal. But being able to understand the information, reason on it and apply it correctly is what makes a person intelligent. Which is why I say AiG is so daft. An article on carbon dating may have lots of information on carbon dating, but the way they use that information is so grossly ignorant that it cannot be called "smart" at all. It's like reading the book "Evolution or Creation" (a jehovah's witness book), which has lots of "information" about various scientific theories. But their understanding, and application of said information is so far off base no one in their right mind could call it a smart book. It's not a matter of being right or wrong, a smart person can of course be wrong. It's a matter of actually comprehending the material sitting before you, and just showing it and making egregiously bad assertions based on it.


Ok, we've got mostly just a disagreement left about the proportions (about what is stupid and what is less stupid, when evaluating people and their ignorance). And I've never been to Kentucky or anywhere else in the Southern US/Bible Belt.

Do you live in Kentucky?



The_vagabond7 on 15 August 2009
Slimebeast said:
The_vagabond7 said:
Slimebeast said:

 

I can see what you're saying and agree to an extent. Believing evolution doesn't make you educated or smart. You can take that on faith as much as anything. But believing as fundementalist christians do, absolutely makes you ignorant. There is no way to reconcile the earth being 6000 years old, and Noah's flood as a literal historical event and not being ignorant. The two do not mix. Also, I would posit that the level of ignorance in this video is not in anyway rare. Come to Kentucky and visit a diner and have a discussion with the average person here. The ignorance in this video is not far off base. The education levels in rural kentucky are woefully low. Furthermore asserting that the earth is older than 6000 years old is not some esoteric topic that would be hard for the layman to crack. And yet almost half the US believes it to be true.

Having information isn't the same as intelligence. Anyone can have knowledge at their disposal. But being able to understand the information, reason on it and apply it correctly is what makes a person intelligent. Which is why I say AiG is so daft. An article on carbon dating may have lots of information on carbon dating, but the way they use that information is so grossly ignorant that it cannot be called "smart" at all. It's like reading the book "Evolution or Creation" (a jehovah's witness book), which has lots of "information" about various scientific theories. But their understanding, and application of said information is so far off base no one in their right mind could call it a smart book. It's not a matter of being right or wrong, a smart person can of course be wrong. It's a matter of actually comprehending the material sitting before you, and just showing it and making egregiously bad assertions based on it.


Ok, we've got mostly just a disagreement left about the proportions (about what is stupid and what is less stupid, when evaluating people and their ignorance). And I've never been to Kentucky or anywhere else in the Southern US/Bible Belt.

Do you live in Kentucky?

Yeah, I live in Kentucky. I've been unfortunate enough to live in the bible belt for the entirety of my life. Tennessee, Alabama (Good lord, Alabama is bad), and Kentucky. Rural Kentucky and rural Alabama are absurd. If you go to eastern kentucky, it's almost like going to a third world country or stepping back in time by a couple hundred years. If you go out into the boonies you often will find places that don't have water or electricity, and people see education as something for city folk. Not all of kentucky is that bad, mind you but even in the city you can't openly claim to be an athiest without being harrassed, or in some instances even refused service (even if that is illegal).

And forget about finding books on science, any kind of science. I tried to find "The selfish gene" a book on evolution, and I had to go to four bookstores in my city to find ANY books on evolution. Keep in mind, I don't live in a small town. I live in a relatively large city. The first three barely had any sections on science, and their "science" sections mostly consisted of audobon society nature books on identifying birds or trees. Mind you each one had an entire wall and then shelves in addition to the wall dedicated entirely to bibles and books about the bible, and then more shelves for "biblical fiction" (books like the "left behind" series). And when I finally got my book the lady at the registered looked at the back of the book, saw it was about evolution, glared at me and mumbled under her breath about how she doesn't know how anyone could read this tripe, and then said something about monkeys, I didn't catch what it was. This sort of thing is not in any way uncommon in the bible belt.

People are EXTREMELY defensive about their personal notions of the bible (which are almost always literal interpretations in the bible belt). Hell when I was an evengelical, people would get pissed as hell when I tried to explain that the hebrew word used in Genesis for "day" can mean an expanse of time, and not necessarily a literal 24 hour period, people would threaten me with violence. To try and deny that there was even a creation event of the earth can be physically dangerous if said to the wrong person. And don't let anyone hear you say that we evolved from primates. Man I could tell you stories about my evengelical days and the kind of ignorance encountered when talking to people. Often if I tried to read out of a translation that wasn't the king james, the common line that you would hear from people is "I only read the King James, we don't need no other translations. If the King James was good enough for Jesus in his day, it's good enough for me." I am not kidding, and more frightening, they were not kidding. Scores of people honestly think that Jesus read, wrote and spoke in English. And somehow he had a king james version of the bible. The ignorance was jaw dropping, and I thought this during a time when I agreed with the majority of their beliefs and was only astounded at the ignorance of the details.

Ignorance isn't a crime. You can't blame people necessarily for being ignorant, because we are all ignorant in our in ways. But The kind of ignorance that you find in the bible belt isn't ignorance of accident. It is willful, fingers in the ears, we don't need book learnin' if we have the bible, get your "science" books out of our bookstores ignorance. That's why America is becoming a joke. Not because we aren't super educated, but because large swaths of the country refuse education, want nothing to do with learning if it makes them uncomfortable, and see any secular form of education as being the voice of the devil trying to mislead Gods Nation into sin, and when provided with a clear contradiction between reality and the bible, choose the bible over reality. I leave this with a quote from Answers in Genesis

"When a scientist’s interpretation of data does not match the clear meaning of the text in the Bible, we should never reinterpret the Bible. God knows just what He meant to say, and His understanding of science is infallible, whereas ours is fallible. So we should never think it necessary to modify His Word."



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