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Actually CoD2 isn't that hard and despite people's feeling, there aren't respawning enemies in 90% of the game.

I completed it on veteran and it is possible to kill all enemies in an area without rushing forward.
Yet there are still waves of Germans....



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KylieDog said:
Munkeh111 said:
KylieDog said:
If metacritic is your best defence I am laughing.


Guess what, what IW thinks players want and what players actually do want are different things also.


The co-op modes on WaW always have a crapload of people playing them...but of course all those people in fact dislike the co-op, they play it because they hate it.


They have the evidence right there that people like it, R2 also had many complaints when it was removed. BUT IW KNOW BETTER.

So why are CoD's 4 and 5 still played as much if WaW is so much better? (This week WaW 2nd on Live, last 4 2nd)

I'm using gamerankings because you won't listen to everyone else saying 4 is better, or all the critics saying 4 is better. Everyone will agree 4 had the better campaign, the pacing, level design and basically everything else was far better than WaW. Seriously, I don't know what you want me to say to convince you. Everyone else in this thread disagrees with you. I tried explaining why 4 is rated higher, but you ignored it so what do you want?

I'm not saying that co-op is bad, but the SP experience is worse because of it. WaW is more about large scale military conflicts, whereas for most of 4 you are working in small squads with the SAS, and so creating co-op modes seperate means that the SP can still be great

There's not much more I can say given that you ignore all my points.

What points?  You aren't stupid, I've read your posts elsewhere.  You know gamerankings or metacritic as far far from the be all and end all of stating how good a game is, why you would use this a defence I don't know.

You other point that IW say they know what makes co-op better is also hollow by the fact the CoD: WaW co-op is massive success, well liked and goes totally against what IW say.

Things like level design, being in WW2 and such or just individual opinion.  There is a reason there are so many WW2 games and that is because it is a very popular war and people like it.  Level design is totally in the eye of the player and again, people are playing it in mass so evidently people like it.

On a technical level WaW crapped all over MW and that is solid fact, no arguing it.  The rest is all personal preference which doesn't make one better or worse.  Quality vs quantity is always a bad argument anyway because a certain quantity needs be met or the quality doesn't matter.  A perfect meal once a week only is not preferable to an average meal daily.  Or for a more suited version if quality is all that mattered then why do so many Wii owners complain about lack of third party support, they have Nintendo games.

Aaaaahhhhhhhhhh! You're not listning. I am talking about how the SP on WaW is worse, because you can't include some of the best scenes from 4, because they work much better as lone experiences. And Resistance 2's MP has highly praised, though we don't know whether more people are playing R2 co-op or WaW, though I suspect the latter because of the brand name, but still dedicated co-op experiences generally work better. How many people think that 5 had a better SP than 4? And that is partially because of the fact that it did not have to be designed to accomodate co-op.

People are getting sick of WW 2 games, there are less and less, and the CoD series was reviltalised because 4 took it to a modern setting. The other thing is the pacing that 4 has. Everyone knows that 4 has a better SP than 5.

I don't really know about tech issues since I played both through on an SDTV

There are plenty of developers working on great shooters for PS360, we don't need a Call of Duty every year really. Indeed, even though Treyarch may be a jack of all trades, they are a master of none. There are enough developers around that we don't just need a few that make loads of different types of games. Quantity is also dependent on the size of the studio, and I know IW has 100+ employees, but I don't really know any more details on their employee numbers



coolbeans said:
Munkeh111 said:
coolbeans said:
Munkeh111 said:
coolbeans said:
Munkeh111 said:
Still haven't played proper CoD 2, I'll get it on 360, prob in Jan, when I stock up on old games for my collection

That you must get on :P.  Although many people might not like the 8 player max. MP, I found it to be just as fun as any other. 

I doubt I'll have time for MP, but I'll certainly play through the single player, I'll try veteran too

 this is what you'll be doing at some parts when doing veteran, you've been warned.  The only quarrel I have with SP is the not-the-sharpest-nails-in-the-box friendly AI.

They say they have fixed that in MW 2 so no more respawners. I did fine for most of WaW, but there I did get bored because of the grenade spamming..... I'll also have CoD 1 to look forward to with my prestige edition

Sounds like it'll be better than CoD4 already.  When it comes to 2 though, I didn't find the enemy respawns on veteran since finding solid cover was fairly easy for me to find.   Heck, I don't really remember respawning enemies that much since checkpoints were spread quite evenly and all.

I did notice it the most in WaW, not so much CoD 4, but I really can't wait for MW2, it is going to be brilliant



Not so much in CoD 4? You haven't played on Veteran did you? The engine Infinity Ward's been using for so long needs to be revamped completely anyways. This is why I found WaW still lacked in a lot of areas, even though I personally find the game to be better than its predecessor.



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SHMUPGurus said:
Not so much in CoD 4? You haven't played on Veteran did you?

Admittedly no, I finished it quickly, as I had Ratchet and Assassin's Creed to play, and once I was addicted to MP, I just never got back to it without the lure of trophies



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Yeah it's very annoying in Modern Warfare (Al-Asads TV station for example)
at least they don't spam grenades like idiots.



Heh, don't get me started with the damn grenades...! xD



Random game thought :
Why is Bionic Commando Rearmed 2 getting so much hate? We finally get a real game and they're not even satisfied... I'm starting to hate the gaming community so f****** much...

Watch my insane gameplay videos on my YouTube page!