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welshbloke said:
FayeC said:

 

Its not being taken from anyone, so it is not theft. If I find 50 dollars on the ground and keep it, its isnt theft and this is in a situation where there is a discernable loss to someone. Much less is it theft when nothing has been taken from anyone, as per the definition


Actually if you find $50 dollars on the floor in the UK it is theft. Finders keepers losers weepers does not hold water in the eyes of the law. For you to pick up your 50 bucks and it not be theft you have to prove the item is abandoned. Somebody losing an item does not mean abandonment and does not mean they have lost ownership of the said item.

So sayeth yea.

So if you find a 50$ bill in the street you must let it there or the popo could put you in jail?



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Part of piracy is perception. Why is a car worth 20K or 40K? It's physical, it has people designing and engineering and building it and you want something that's reliable. When you look at a CD/DVD/Bluray disc, it's just a disc with bits of data. You cannot distinguish masterpiece movie from porn to infomercials but they are all lumped in the same group because externally looks the same. It's just ones and zeros and there's no perceived value because the disc itself in the raw form only cost at most a few bucks. So it must be what it's worth. Pirates don't care about the production or hard work it took to make the game or the movie or all that's involved. All that matters is that they get the enjoyment without paying for it. The bits and bytes just magically formed themselves without intervention from anyone.



chapset said:
welshbloke said:
FayeC said:

 

Its not being taken from anyone, so it is not theft. If I find 50 dollars on the ground and keep it, its isnt theft and this is in a situation where there is a discernable loss to someone. Much less is it theft when nothing has been taken from anyone, as per the definition


Actually if you find $50 dollars on the floor in the UK it is theft. Finders keepers losers weepers does not hold water in the eyes of the law. For you to pick up your 50 bucks and it not be theft you have to prove the item is abandoned. Somebody losing an item does not mean abandonment and does not mean they have lost ownership of the said item.

So sayeth yea.

So if you find a 50$ bill in the street you must let it there or the popo could put you in jail?

In a word yes. Interesting article in the Independent about abandoment and here again in the BBC news



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personally i dont care. Just leave the pirates alone



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superchunk said:
BladeOfGod said:
superchunk said:
BladeOfGod said:
i am sick of people bitching about piracy.

The averige payment in Brazil is about 220-230 dollars. And one guy from Brazil told me that games cost about 120 dollars there.(the new ones) So you except someone to spend more than half of his payment just to get one game??? You people need to understand that not everyone can afford to buy games even thought they HAVE a job.

My *net* monthly income is about $500 that I can spend any way I like. That $500 won't buy me the  new 46" HDTV I've been wanting because the tv's I want are around $1500. I can choose to save my net income for a while to buy that tv or I can choose to eat out, go to movies, and do many other activities with my children.

I keep choosing the activities and still have an older SDTV.

Just because I can't afford what I want doesn't make it right to take it. That is just stupid.


if you could get your 46 HDTV for free you would do it, dont pretend like you wouldnt

Sure, if it were given to me, rightfully, with consent. That would be legal. I would never just take it or use my magic replication machine to copy it. That would be theft.

Hm... So if I could walk up to a TV in my house, and take a piece of cardboard from you that you bought at a store recently, and turn it into the same TV and give it to you, you wouldn't take it? I find that very hard to believe.



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Double Post, sorry.



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greenmedic88 said:
Claiming piracy is not theft is roughly the equivalent of saying printing your own money (ie counterfeiting) is also not wrong.

"I'm not stealing any money; I'm just making more of it!"

Claiming piracy potentially saves lives through the preservation of health is also the equivalent of saying stealing food for those on a strict budget (or worse) is morally right as well.

It's a known fact that healthier, more nutritious, less processed food is more expensive than highly processed pre-prepared foods. But I won't even venture to throw out the argument that stealing money or materials of value for the purpose of eating healthier has any sort of moral high ground either.

Until you factor in the healthcare costs associated with a lifetime of eating that type of food. But he was joking anyway about the school lunch thing ... I think.

 

Anywho, downloading anything without paying is stealing. Metallica caught a lot of hell for this, the argument against them was "Don't they have enough money!" as if that justifies it. It's their property, why should they let a Napster profit off them, while pretending they're doing nothing wrong and not giving Metallica or other bands their piece of the pie? In other words, there's no such thing as 'enough money' deal with it.

With THAT said, I download from time to time. What can I say, I like free. Usually music. Sometimes movies, never games though. Though I have tried to locate old point and click games online to DL, but they never work right. My only defense ... well, I don't know if it's a defense, but I only DL songs I would never buy. I visited the UK a few times, was first introduced to a few UK bands that at the time didn't really make it here, or weren't as big. These bands were not my type of genre and I would never buy an entire CD or a single from the Coors or anything. So, I downloaded it. Did they lose money off of me? Yes and no. Again, I would not have purchased their album for one song. But it was nice to have it on my computer.

Still stealing. If I had bought it or not, wasn't mine to take. But Pandora's box is open. It's easier than ever to pirate. This is the world the entertainment industry has to deal with.



chapset said:
welshbloke said:
FayeC said:

 

Its not being taken from anyone, so it is not theft. If I find 50 dollars on the ground and keep it, its isnt theft and this is in a situation where there is a discernable loss to someone. Much less is it theft when nothing has been taken from anyone, as per the definition


Actually if you find $50 dollars on the floor in the UK it is theft. Finders keepers losers weepers does not hold water in the eyes of the law. For you to pick up your 50 bucks and it not be theft you have to prove the item is abandoned. Somebody losing an item does not mean abandonment and does not mean they have lost ownership of the said item.

So sayeth yea.

So if you find a 50$ bill in the street you must let it there or the popo could put you in jail?

Brits are crazy. They don't like pickles on their burgers.

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Can someone explain why Nintendo doesn't put demos on their store?

If they had them I wouldn't have had any need to download games to find out if I like them or not. I'll be damned if they expect me to drop $50 to find out.

I didn't even begin pirating Wii titles until about 3 weeks ago and if it wasn't for that I would have never even found out that a title like Little King's Story was for me.

A demo channel probably could have prevented me from modding my Wii and lead to a few purchases throughout the year or so that my Wii was collecting dust.



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If you have a Wii you can install the Homebrew channel and then use it to install the ScummVM channel. The old LucasArts point and click titles work great with the Wiimote.

If you want to do it the "right way" you can still buy those titles on the net. I bought them years ago in the LucasArts collections that had games like Full Throttle, Day of the Tentacle, Secret of Monkey Island and Sam and Max in them.



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