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NKAJ said:
Slimebeast said:

Yes, in his heart Obama is unfortunately a socialist. I think as a Congressman he was the one voting most left-wing of them all.

A health-care reform is a good thing if done right, but usually it doesn't stop there. Politicians are just too damn tempted to govern everything, they are control-freaks who always believe they know better. They love to play Sim City with tax money. So certainly other socialistic reforms will be forced upon the American people along with the healthcare thingy.

This is not good. The world needs America as a beacon of capitalist light to balance out socialist Europe.


OH.DEAR.

-facepalm-

Seriously.  We earn every single bad thing that is said about us in this country.



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Kasz216 said:
ph4nt said:
Anybody who cuts the defense budget is an enemy of mine.

I also hate it when my tax dollars are going to the underachievers of society, the anchors of the United States.

Politics has made "the strongest survive" obsolete, and now the strong are wasting their time supporting the weak.

A lot could be cut in the defense budget.  It's just the stuff people never talk about.

 

Like the new Presidential choppers.... that the president doesn't want.  The new airplane engines  Piterus doesn't want.

 

Etc.  People keep getting shit they don't even want because Senators are looking for pork barrel jobs for their states.

 

I once saw  C-span where a senator tried to convince an unbudging VA director that he needed more money for the VA. 

Everyone is a fiscal conservative until they actually have to give up something.  Hell, the Senate Minority Leader, Mitch McConnell (R), has gotten a crazy amount of pork barrel spending for his state.  This is why I find very few people out there to be credible when they say they are fiscally conservative.  That and when they ignore the fact that tax cuts have lead to large deficits just like spending.  George W. Bush was in the red every year he was in office even when the economy was doing well.  Same for Reagan.

George Bush Sr. was the only recent Republican President one who I can legitimately call a fiscal conservative.  And his party hated him for it cause he raised taxes.  Many people who claim to be fiscally conservative are more anti-tax than pro-fiscal responsibility.  Where was all the fiscal restraint when Republicans were in office?  I mean at least the Democrats are honest about what they are doing.



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

akuma587 said:
Kasz216 said:
ph4nt said:
Anybody who cuts the defense budget is an enemy of mine.

I also hate it when my tax dollars are going to the underachievers of society, the anchors of the United States.

Politics has made "the strongest survive" obsolete, and now the strong are wasting their time supporting the weak.

A lot could be cut in the defense budget.  It's just the stuff people never talk about.

 

Like the new Presidential choppers.... that the president doesn't want.  The new airplane engines  Piterus doesn't want.

 

Etc.  People keep getting shit they don't even want because Senators are looking for pork barrel jobs for their states.

 

I once saw  C-span where a senator tried to convince an unbudging VA director that he needed more money for the VA. 

Everyone is a fiscal conservative until they actually have to give up something.  Hell, the Senate Minority Leader, Mitch McConnell (R), has gotten a crazy amount of pork barrel spending for his state.  This is why I find very few people out there to be credible when they say they are fiscally conservative.  That and when they ignore the fact that tax cuts have lead to large deficits just like spending.  George W. Bush was in the red every year he was in office even when the economy was doing well.  Same for Reagan.

George Bush Sr. was the only recent Republican President one who I can legitimately call a fiscal conservative.  And his party hated him for it cause he raised taxes.  Many people who claim to be fiscally conservative are more anti-tax than pro-fiscal responsibility.  Where was all the fiscal restraint when Republicans were in office?  I mean at least the Democrats are honest about what they are doing.

I agree about that mostly.  Although there are fiscally conservative republicans and democrats out there.  They just get demonized by the press and their parties.  For example all the shit the Blue Dog Democrats got during this healthcare bill because there are no price controls, it's ridiculiously expensive, and the estimates of it's expense are well... underestimated even with the ridiculious numbers.

Or the Republicans who've called for pullout and tried to pass balanced budget ammendments.



that photo of obama is afwul.



akuma587 said:
NKAJ said:
Slimebeast said:

Yes, in his heart Obama is unfortunately a socialist. I think as a Congressman he was the one voting most left-wing of them all.

A health-care reform is a good thing if done right, but usually it doesn't stop there. Politicians are just too damn tempted to govern everything, they are control-freaks who always believe they know better. They love to play Sim City with tax money. So certainly other socialistic reforms will be forced upon the American people along with the healthcare thingy.

This is not good. The world needs America as a beacon of capitalist light to balance out socialist Europe.


OH.DEAR.

-facepalm-

Seriously.  We earn every single bad thing that is said about us in this country.

No we don't. Have some national pride and stop bitching out.



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Oh is being a fiscal conservatism as simple as tryong to spend less money than you bring in?

That's all?



Khuutra said:
Oh is being a fiscal conservatism as simple as tryong to spend less money than you bring in?

That's all?

Or as much.

But yeah... more or less.

That and not wasting money anywhere if it can be avoided even if you do bring in enough.

For example fiscal conservatives would be against wasteful building campaigns.  Like a subway that isn't going to serve many people.



Why does that even have a name

It seems kind of reflexive



There is more to fiscal conservatism than simply not running a deficit, although that is one of the primary elements of fiscal conservatism ...

Another major element of being a fiscal conservative is the belief that the government should only be involved in things that they can deliver more efficiently than the private sector; or areas where the private sector has little or no interest in delivering a product.

 



Khuutra said:
Why does that even have a name

It seems kind of reflexive

Is it?  Congress ALWAYS runs a deficit.

Up until this year personal savings for the average person was a negative number... in otherwords the average person spent more money then they earned.

92% of all millionaires come from the middle class or poorer.  In otherwords a lot of millionaires are losing or spending their millions.

Fiscal Conservatism could actually be called a "liberal" ideal... as overextending your budget seems to be the norm.