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iclim4 said:
Shido said:
They can use another DVD9 or 2 or 3, and how many PCs have a BR disc reader?, because so far I think is a very very small proportion, they should stick with DVD(even if it requires 2 or more DVDs) and use BR is they want to port it to PS3.

a streaming world would be pretty hard to do in 2(maybe 3?).
drive a car then "BOOM" insert disc number 2. then another mission needs you to go back, then "BOOM" pls insert disc 1. would also be irritating to keep standing up from where youre sitting. gamers now are pretty lazy, you can even turn on/off consoles without standing up.


 yea, changing disks takes away from the game.  its fine if its once or twice or even three times in 40 or 50 hours, but not 30 times in that.

 the other is that pc holds three advantages over 360.  it has a hard drive (which is all three).  it can massiviely chache  data like the ps3.  it can hold large files so they dont have to uncompress them every time (to a smaller extent on ps3).  last it can actually hold data from a second disk on the hard drive, which means a two disk game only uses one disk during play.



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i officially boycott boycotts.  crap.

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Lost tears of Kain said:
you know it wouldnt be like that ^^

and yes alot of people are lazy and it seems to be ps3 owners cause all they do is complain about 360 disc change

man no wonder they dont like the wii, must be tough exercise!

hehe j/d <3

haha.... you spelled j/k wrong.... loser...

i kid ^^

you know you dont have to throw a cheap jab at ps3 owners right now.
anyway, you know how open world games play out, you would have to run around all over the place how can you split that up in 3 dvds. imagine in one mission you start at disc 1 point A while Point B is in another DVD... what if point C was in disc 3 then what if the same mission would require you to ride a plane back to point A again. you know how annoying that would be? 




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Shido said:
They can use another DVD9 or 2 or 3, and how many PCs have a BR disc reader?, because so far I think is a very very small proportion, they should stick with DVD(even if it requires 2 or more DVDs) and use BR is they want to port it to PS3.

It wouldn't matter for the pc.  You'd just install all the info from multiple DVDs onto the HDD, and it would access the information from there. For both versions, all the data woulbe coming from a single source, whetherit's the HDD or a BD-Rom.



makingmusic476 said:
* Not so exclusive...but LA Noire definitely ain't coming to Xbox 360, the size of the game is an obstacle to this.

I wonder if it is the size of the actual game data or the amount of hard drive space it needs. With core, you get NO space.



Lost tears of Kain said:
you know it wouldnt be like that ^^

and yes alot of people are lazy and it seems to be ps3 owners cause all they do is complain about 360 disc change

man no wonder they dont like the wii, must be tough exercise!

hehe j/d <3

It's not just swapping discs.  Sometimes, even the common data that would normally be copied on every disc in such situations is too large for a DVD.  I explained this about Uncharted in my post a few above (the wall of text :P ).  Such gamesare just not possible without a larger storage medium, no matter how many DVDs you throw at it (unless there was a HDD to store all the data on, ala the PC) .

Also, one problem with multi-disc JRPGs is that when you get to the 3rd disc, you can't go back to areas on the 1st disc. If everything was on one disc, you can go anywhere at any time, so you don't have to worry about not finishing side quests early on. 

And how would sandbox games like L.A. Noire or GTA work with multiple discs?  Imagine switching discs every time you crossed a bridge in GTAIII.  It would be a pain in the ass. 



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makingmusic476 said:
 it seems like it would've been at least somewhat beneficial for MS to go with HD DVD for this generation, if for no other reason than to avoid multi-disc situations such as the aforementioned games. And then there are cases like Uncharted where even the main engine of the game can't fit on a single disc, let alone things like audio, story, and new areas. How many 360 games could have been improved with this? Mass Effect, no loading whatsoever? Who knows. How many game elements were nixed entirely because of the limitations of DVD9?

Somewhat beneficial? You do know that, in 2005, HD-DVD drives were very expensive, right? So 360 launches at $599 and $499, for premium and core, respectively.

Sound familiar?



Yes making music, it could be beneificial, but look how much it has cost sony, and how low sales are.

Sony will lose even more with the ps3 40 gig they are releaseing, and they already lost what 2 billion? And without Blue ray, they could of either limited that debt, or lowered the price of ps3 quite a bit and actually really competed

At this point, the bad is greater then the good



                 With regard to Call of Duty 4 having an ultra short single player campaign, I guess it may well have been due to the size limitations of DVD on the XBox 360, one of various limitations multi-platform game designers will have to take into consideration-Mike B   

Proud supporter of all 3 console companys

Proud owner of 360wii and DS/psp              

Game trailers-Halo 3 only dissapointed the people who wanted to be dissapointed.

Bet with Harvey Birdman that Lost Odyssey will sell more then Blue dragon did.
makingmusic476 said:
Lost tears of Kain said:
you know it wouldnt be like that ^^

and yes alot of people are lazy and it seems to be ps3 owners cause all they do is complain about 360 disc change

man no wonder they dont like the wii, must be tough exercise!

hehe j/d


                 With regard to Call of Duty 4 having an ultra short single player campaign, I guess it may well have been due to the size limitations of DVD on the XBox 360, one of various limitations multi-platform game designers will have to take into consideration-Mike B   

Proud supporter of all 3 console companys

Proud owner of 360wii and DS/psp              

Game trailers-Halo 3 only dissapointed the people who wanted to be dissapointed.

Bet with Harvey Birdman that Lost Odyssey will sell more then Blue dragon did.
Lost tears of Kain said:
makingmusic476 said:
Lost tears of Kain said:
you know it wouldnt be like that ^^

and yes alot of people are lazy and it seems to be ps3 owners cause all they do is complain about 360 disc change

man no wonder they dont like the wii, must be tough exercise!

hehe j/d <3

It's not just swapping discs. Sometimes, even the common data that would normally be copied on every disc in such situations is too large for a DVD. I explained this about Uncharted in my post a few above (the wall of text :P ). Such gamesare just not possible without a larger storage medium, no matter how many DVDs you throw at it (unless there was a HDD to store all the data on, ala the PC) .

Also, one problem with multi-disc JRPGs is that when you get to the 3rd disc, you can't go back to areas on the 1st disc. If everything was on one disc, you can go anywhere at any time, so you don't have to worry about not finishing side quests early on.

And how would sandbox games like L.A. Noire or GTA work with multiple discs? Imagine switching discs every time you crossed a bridge in GTAIII. It would be a pain in the ass.


 

In the ps1 days, when you switched discs it did not limit you from going into old cities. Side quests usually need to be done within a certain time period anyways They most likely wouldnt make the changing discs like that, make it so part of the missions are on 1 disc, etc

But wouldn't that essentially limit the sandbox-ness of a sandbox game? Having everything take place in just certain sections of the city? Having to switch discs when you get to a new area?  It's not a single, open world anymore.



This is great news for the PS3, one more game that cannot be done on the 360. Sounds like a true GTA game using the power of the PS3.

@iclim4, the VP of Rockstar games already said that the DVD format and the lack of a HDD were wrecking what they wanted to do for the game. Their original vision for the game has been smashed by the weak 360.