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From Kotaku:

LA Noire Too Big For Xbox 360?

Team Bondi must have at least a few people working in their Ultimo, Sydney office, according to a tip we received over the weekend pointing us to a blog with "exclusive" information on the title. From the post:

* The game will be a free-roaming title with a historically-accurate recreation of Los Angeles in 1947.
* Team Bondi has even hired a costume designer to research the clothing of the era so the game's attire can be accurate.
* Aside from main story, side missions will be based on actual cases pulled straight of the newspapers of 1947.
* A US Marine plays a big role in the story.
* Not so exclusive...but LA Noire definitely ain't coming to Xbox 360, the size of the game is an obstacle to this.

It's only a few tidbits, but it's more than we had before. Of note is that another developer is finding DVDs to be too small.

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I never understand why MS stuck with DVD for the 360. But hey, I ain't complaining. MS' folly isn't effecting the games I plan to buy and it helped ensure Blu-Rays victory over HD DVD.

 



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makingmusic476 said:
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I never understand why MS stuck with DVD for the 360. But hey, I ain't complaining. MS' folly isn't effecting the games I plan to buy and it helped ensure Blu-Rays victory over HD DVD.

If VMD does what it is supposed to do, MS could issue a firmware update - then release 20Gig games on the 360.

Whether that is necessary or cheaper than just producing 2 DVDs in the box - I have no idea.

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If the 360 does beat the PS3 this generation, one of the main reasons will be due to them sticking with DVD rather than using a next-gen drive.

EDIT: When I speak to my friend who works at Team Bondi next, I'll have to ask him about this. I suspect no 360 skew has more to do with Sony (partially?) bankrolling the project, than any sort of technical or size limit.

 



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shams said:
makingmusic476 said:
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I never understand why MS stuck with DVD for the 360. But hey, I ain't complaining. MS' folly isn't effecting the games I plan to buy and it helped ensure Blu-Rays victory over HD DVD.

If VMD does what it is supposed to do, MS could issue a firmware update - then release 20Gig games on the 360.

Whether that is necessary or cheaper than just producing 2 DVDs in the box - I have no idea.

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If the 360 does beat the PS3 this generation, one of the main reasons will be due to them sticking with DVD rather than using a next-gen drive.

EDIT: When I speak to my friend who works at Team Bondi next, I'll have to ask him about this. I suspect no 360 skew has more to do with Sony (partially?) bankrolling the project, than any sort of technical or size limit.

 


If MS does use VMD people will just find another complaint. I think it would be a great idea since it could also help VMD gain a foothold in the market.



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                 With regard to Call of Duty 4 having an ultra short single player campaign, I guess it may well have been due to the size limitations of DVD on the XBox 360, one of various limitations multi-platform game designers will have to take into consideration-Mike B   

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Game trailers-Halo 3 only dissapointed the people who wanted to be dissapointed.

Bet with Harvey Birdman that Lost Odyssey will sell more then Blue dragon did.

so... are they saying L.A Noire is a much much bigger game compared to GTAIV? or is GTAIV also having this "obstacle"...
just a thought.




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They can use another DVD9 or 2 or 3, and how many PCs have a BR disc reader?, because so far I think is a very very small proportion, they should stick with DVD(even if it requires 2 or more DVDs) and use BR is they want to port it to PS3.



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Shido said:
They can use another DVD9 or 2 or 3, and how many PCs have a BR disc reader?, because so far I think is a very very small proportion, they should stick with DVD(even if it requires 2 or more DVDs) and use BR is they want to port it to PS3.

a streaming world would be pretty hard to do in 2(maybe 3?)discs.
drive a car then "BOOM" insert disc number 2. then another mission needs you to go back, then "BOOM" pls insert disc 1. would also be irritating to keep standing up from where youre sitting. gamers now are pretty lazy, you can even turn on/off consoles without standing up.




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you know it wouldnt be like that ^^

and yes alot of people are lazy and it seems to be ps3 owners cause all they do is complain about 360 disc change

man no wonder they dont like the wii, must be tough exercise!

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                 With regard to Call of Duty 4 having an ultra short single player campaign, I guess it may well have been due to the size limitations of DVD on the XBox 360, one of various limitations multi-platform game designers will have to take into consideration-Mike B   

Proud supporter of all 3 console companys

Proud owner of 360wii and DS/psp              

Game trailers-Halo 3 only dissapointed the people who wanted to be dissapointed.

Bet with Harvey Birdman that Lost Odyssey will sell more then Blue dragon did.
Shido said:
They can use another DVD9 or 2 or 3, and how many PCs have a BR disc reader?, because so far I think is a very very small proportion, they should stick with DVD(even if it requires 2 or more DVDs) and use BR is they want to port it to PS3.

 Yeah , thats it lets just ruin the game for no good reason. The game is larger because it (most likely) will have advanced lighting and graphics and uncompressed audio, all of which the 360 cant handle.

But designing it for a weaker system and porting it is a good idea.  

I think they would rather have a quality product. 



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@shams: It's not the size that's keeping the game from going to the 360. It's the fact that it's not going to the 360 that let's them increase the size, utilizing the extra space.

That's the one problem with arguments for/against the use of Blu-Ray in gaming. People often say that Blu-Ray is useless, because the 360 has far better games using DVDs than the ps3 has using BD-roms. But the question that is never asked, and can never be answered, is would those games have been better if the developers had Blu-Ray to work with? And if so, how much better? It can't be answered, and we can't use multiplats for answers, as developers design them to be equal on both platforms, taking into account the DVD of the 360.

People say that games like Gears weren't hurt because of the limitations of DVD9, but we can't actually say that. The developers designed it with DVD9 in mind, so of course it was going to work just fine with the format. Same goes for games like Uncharted and Blu-Ray. Uncharted apparently streams everything - sound files, textures, EVERYTHING, from the Blu-Ray disc, which is why there are no load times whatsoever throughout the game. Streaming data off the disc requires the data to take up more space on the disc (less compression) than it would normally, and as such even the demo from e3 could not fit on a single DVD9. Could this be done on the 360? Something similar, yes, but not this specific game, because of the way it is designed. Even a multi-disc solution just wouldn't work.

The only way anybody can definitively prove that Blu-Ray is better or, dare I say it, "needed" for gaming would be if a developer developed a game entirely around the 360, and then recreated the game entirely around the ps3, starting the engine from scratch, taking into account the added storage space of Blu-Ray and whatever advantages it may provide, and carrying over only the plot and artwork from the 360 version. They would even expand the concepts of the game, taking into account whatever possibilities Blu-Ray opens up for them. It would essentially be a brand new game, that just happens to look like the other version. Then we could truly see what effect Blu-Ray has on the game. This will never happen, however, as it would be far to costly for a development studio.

Seeing as we can't prove whether Blu-Ray is really useful this generation, we can only go by the words of the developers, and most are rather welcoming of the new format, many stating that their games could not be done with out it. With Lost Oddyssey on 4 discs, Blue Dragon on 3, and Rage on 2, it seems like it would've been at least somewhat beneficial for MS to go with HD DVD for this generation, if for no other reason than to avoid multi-disc situations such as the aforementioned games. And then there are cases like Uncharted where even the main engine of the game can't fit on a single disc, let alone things like audio, story, and new areas. How many 360 games could have been improved with this? Mass Effect, no loading whatsoever? Who knows. How many game elements were nixed entirely because of the limitations of DVD9?