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In other news.. the Wii failed because it is the most expensive console on the market...
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its not semantics, i resect your Opinion but the very fact that the PS3 is not the ps2 just like the xbox360 is not the xbox

I am not saying the ps3 is not a failure. far from it what i am saying failure is subjective on what part the ps3 has failed at. your trying to lump the ps3 as a whole as a failure when that is subjective on what part of the PS3 has failed at.

example:

some may say the xbox360 has failed due to it's RROD does that mean the system as a whole has FAILED?

NO iN MY opinion just because the RROD happen to have an adverse effect on the xbox360 does not mean the system as a whole has failed because the sales of the xbox360 surpassed the fist xbox install base in half the time would you call that a failure?

Some may say it was because it did not double the first Xbox's install base already. I am not saying that because the XBOX360 happened to be over $300.00 and it still beat out the first xbox's install base in half the time that's impressive to me.

the term Failure is subjective. that's all i am saying I do not agree with you on the PS3 has FAILED as a whole if your are implying that .

i agree the PS3  it has failed in many thing's.

Everything IN LIFE has its failure's but everything does not completely fail at everything!

I concur, since when?

and your saying the race is already over?

because nintendo,sony and microsoft are not

lost exclusives?

if your still able to play the game on the system how did you loose it? so what if another system has the game you cannot count something as lost if you still have it.

marketshare?

the fact that Sony has 3 systems on the market at once , nintendo has 3 and microsoft has 1 (2) if you count the PC, but yet you want to talk about market share?

its very easy to seperate just on one system's sales alone an say look were beating the market share of this company while not taking into account the other product's THAT ARE BEING SOLD . If you want to be blunt about it Microsoft has the largest marketshare and will alway's have if you count in PC. 

default Winner?

there is no such thing though the way some people on the internet carry on you would think there is. did sony have an advantage maybe but every generation of systems released is not the same as the previous. that's the point it's a new system its not the previous system.

more than the ps1/ps2 made?

you do know that sony has stated the PS1+PS2 has upto date sold over $50 billion at retail. so unless you know for a fact how much Sony has

made out of the $50 billion . that's a b with a billion has sony stated how much out of the 50 billion has been profit.

who know's but Sony. 10 year's + profits wiped out by the PS3 is very unlikely outside sources guess at the cost of the price to manuf. the PS3 but that's just it. its a guess sony has not went on the record to THE PUBLIC and state how much does it cost to produce a single PS3. 

its when people on the internet put more faith in rumor's than in Fact's.

Your right, I looked at the numbers again and they have not lost all of it, just a very very large chunk of it. They made about 4.8 billion in the ps1/ps2 era and have lost about 3.5 billionish in the ps3 era. So I was wrong. Here are the numbers

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=15845813&postcount=766

As for MS, they have lost TONS of money on 360, but I do not know what the point of failure is for the company based on why they made xbox in the first place and how it has performed.

No, it has nothing to do with it being black. Don't be an idiot.

even though both Microsoft and Sony have lost money on their systems, there is more money to be made in this market than the previous generation. due simply to online profit streams this generation.

Sony like microsoft and nintendo have online content sale's and rental's. that will grow as the network grows which both microsoft and sony and nintendo has millions of signed up user's. Now not everyone may not purchase anything from the online store's of each company. but if anything has shown what can be sold one only just has to look at Apple.

When gamer's are already paying for map pack expansions there are clear signs that this generation's market is nothing like last generation's its more expanded of a market. there are more product's to buy for consumer's. and there are thing's outside of game's that are getting a presence on these market places.

this generation is much more expanded market ,which also means stiffer competition this time arround than last generation due to the market's expansion of product's and services offered this generation over last generation.

@CGI

I'm not sure why you are picking on kowenicki. He was not the one brought up sale number and made a statement without base. What did he say in his post that was not true? Is PS3 really catching up to 360? Or is it really possible for PS3 to outsell 360 by 8.5 millions in less than 18 months? Are we not allowed to point out how ridiculous a post is with actual facts? Why does it have to be seen as an attack?

when in Rome...