So the PS3 is even more doomed then? The third parties are doing worse than the Wii's. In fact, almost all parties do worse, including first party stuff.

umm... ranzchic - my point is... 3rd party sony games do BETTER than Wii 3rd party... SAME GAME. Madden PS3 - 335,250 Madden Wii - 311,250 24,000 less copies. Why? The Wii has 1.9x more units sold?

kwaad, dont count europe - most people in europe are not interested in this american sport ... sorry, but most prefer soccer when Madden would be a soccer game then it will sell higher in europe anyway it is interesting how much time you have to answer ... i prefer to spend my time with Zelda i watch this forum from work, but when iam at home iam never online -> gaming rulez :)

I would compare the Wii sales to PS3 in europe... But it's impossible. PS3 is not out in europe. I say NFL, because it's one of the only 2-3 games on both Wii/PS3.

Remember that nobody knew what to do with the DS at first. With PSP, it was easy to just port whatever game you thought would sell well, but with the DS, there were maybe half a dozen third-party games that even had a clue of what they were doing for the first year, giver or take. Nintendo faster with quality titles because, hey, they had more time to tinker with the DS idea. 3rd party developers arejust now figuring out what it takes to make a solid DS game. I don't know where you got your list of million+ games, but I'd be willing to bet that the 3rd party DS games came out later, on average, than the PSP games. Wait and see... If the Phoenix Wright games aren't on that list, at least one or two of them will be. DQIX will definitely be. Nintendo's a powerful first party. Sony isn't. All 3rd parties need to do is learn from the Big N, and make improvements. Nintendo had some of the first sports games, racing games, light gun games... but look who's making the best ones now. As far as the Wii is concerned, give it time. Nobody's even sure of the demographic that's buying the Wii. Sure, it's "everybody," but how many "everybody"s are over 40? How many are under 12? How many are female? That kind of info won't be hinted at until we can see some solid game-buying trends, and *then* studios will know what kinds of games will sell well on Wii. (yeah, yeah the answer is Nintendo games... but what else would you expect from the world's most innovative publishing house?)

that's easy to understand, kwaad. ps3 had no games! when madden came out, every single ps3 american buyer thought: "well, i buy this or a blu-ray movie, otherwise my wife will start asking me what the hell is that thing sitting on the living room for."

Does it matter when there are at least 3 other games that are doing better than any other third party games on the PS3? And all of them are actually exclusives!

Well 24000 copies isn't that much is it? I mean I still think that EA will make Madden 08 Wii right? (Even more important might be that Madden Wii actuly sold 8k more copies in feb than Madden PS3) Now look at Ubisoft: Two more or less exclusives: Rayman = 375 250. In USA alone. Red Steel = 335 500. In USA alone. Explain for me why Ubi should stop making Wii games? EDIT: CoD3 Wii = 251 250 CoD3 PS3 = 212 000 Wii is already selling enough to gain thired party support. Looking at total Software sales (from 3rd parties) the Wii is selling more than PS3. Of course Xbox360 is selling more but I think Wii is showing that 3rd parties can make a profit from the Wii.

who said they should stop?

fishamaphone - you make a good point on the DS/PSP story there. I have one thing to say tho. Another funny Wii number thing I just found. Total there are 15 PS3 games in the top 200 in febuary (Americas) Total there are 20 Wii games in the top 200 in febuary (Americas) There are 37 Wii games out. (in febuary) There are 21 PS3 games out. (in febuary) 71% of PS3 games are in the top 200. 54% of Wii games are in the top 200. EDIT Since were getting nit-picky. PS3 Need for Speed: Carbon EA (feb)24,750 TOTAL185,500 Wii Need for Speed: Carbon EA (feb)18,000 TOTAL128,250 A 6,000 unit diffrence. Pro PS3, and a 50,000+ sales diffrence total. ;)