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Bitmap Frogs on 21 July 2009
Mudface said:
Bitmap Frogs said:

Yay, more apple-hating.

The animosity is fun to watch, tho.

I don't think anyone hates Apple, at least any more than the next massive international mega corps with dodgy ethics and a control freak tendency. It's just that it seems to have far more than its fair share of smug, rather clueless fanboy disciples infesting every tech forum going. To me, Macs aren't objects of wonder- they're very expensive locked-down PCs with a garish, dumbed-down OS- just right for a certain segment of the market, pretty much useless to the majority.

 

See, that's what I was talking about. Hate and in this case ignorance to boot.

I'm not gonna bite at your feeble trolling attempt tho. 

Because it's amusing.





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Mudface on 21 July 2009

OK.

*adds another name to the list of smug, rather clueless Apple fanboys*



Bitmap Frogs on 21 July 2009
Mudface said:
OK.

*adds another name to the list of smug, rather clueless Apple fanboys*

 

Hahahaha.

So was that your plan-B in case the trolling dind't work?





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goddog on 21 July 2009
Mudface said:
OK.

*adds another name to the list of smug, rather clueless Apple fanboys*

can we add you to the list of people who take things to seriously when it is sarcasm? man ive been on and off that list for ages... 



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goddog on 21 July 2009
IllegalPaladin said:
goddog said:
IllegalPaladin said:
I looked at Apple's website to spec out a Mac Pro a week or two ago and compare it with my planned Core i7 build. From the get go at default options it's already $1000 more expensive than my build and my build includes building a WHOLE new tower as well as getting a new monitor and the only things I'd be saving from the old tower are the hard drives and DVD drives.

which build the single xeon or the dual? and how much ram are you throwing in your tower 3 or 6 gig? id like to see your build out to see if its a fair comparison or if you should be comparing it to the imac line which is far more in line with use of a core i7 chip though the line has nto been refreshed in awhile

 

edit really its a question of class the mac pro is a workstation not a true desktop. how much ram can the mobo you want hold the base lower end pro maxes at 16 GB (white papers) and the two quad core unit is at 32gb? is the mobo designed to hold 2 cpus but can run on one? 

Specs of the Mac Pro which I haven't edited any of the configuration options so the baseline price is $2499

  • One 2.66GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon
  • 3GB (3x1GB)
  • 640GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
  • NVIDIA GeForce GT 120 512MB
  • One 18x SuperDrive
  • Apple Mighty Mouse
  • Apple Keyboard with Numeric Keypad (English) and User's Guide

Looking back at my build again, it'd be better to say it costs a little under $1600 to account for shipping.

  • Antec 1200 case
  • Corsair 850w PSU
  • Asus P6T Deluxe V2 Mobo
  • DDR3 6gb (3x2gb) ram
  • Core i7 920 (2.66ghz) cpu
  • Xigmatek HDT-S1283 CPU cooler
  • Xigmatek bracket for LG775 and 1366
  • EVGA GTX 280 superclocked
  • LG 23" LCD monitor (2ms)
  • 6ft dual link DVI cable
  • Round IDE cable for length and better airflow 

So while my build doesn't account for a Windows OS, I can either stick with 32-bit XP for a little while (though that'd be stupid), 64-bit Windows Ultimate for a student price of ~$60, or use the Windows 7 64-bit RC/try to get Windows 7 when it comes out. Still, the biggest thing I'm looking at is the price comparison with some similar specs. Yea, the iMac's on the website are still using Core 2 Duo's and the 24" inch one is the closest one to my spec's without being more expensive (again, without any customizing of the package).

Also, if I have a PC build like that, it would also be more of a workstation to me than my current PC could ever have been. I could pick up an Adobe package to use my computer in the same fashion that I use the Mac's on campus for. The only downside is that Final Cut is exclusive to Apple, but Premiere isn't bad. Still, that'd be a fortune in software in either case.

okay, the only issue i have is you are using core i7 and not a xeon cpu wich is more costly (along with mobo which costs more) which if matching cpus were used would raise the price still though you are right it can be done cheaper around 2k (I have done it a few times looking to build a hackintosh box I just wanted to see if you would take the time to reply) 

grated, i also tend to use parts i know are good from some of the work i do in the field on WS and  servers ... cause xeons are really server level chips and deserve to be put in hardware that makes scream 

 

 

and yes premier has gotten much much better man it was trash until i think the release in 06? 

 

final cut studio still kicks its ass to the curb

 

 

 

 



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IllegalPaladin on 21 July 2009

Yes that would explain it, but still that's the only thing right now. I wouldn't really be that interested in an iMac though (and they're still using C2D's), but I suppose that stems more from the fact that I like a full tower that I can customize and such which isn't really possible with a Mac anyway.

Yea, I've been thinking of doing a hackintosh just to try it out. Though I think I'd have to do some extra work because my CPU isn't a 'real' C2D (e2160).

Premiere CS4 looks like it's gone through quite a change and the layout and such reminds me more of Final Cut now.



OrangeCrush on 21 July 2009

Yes. I decided having Symantec Anit-Virus on my PC was worse than having a virus because it slowed my computer to a crawl.

Mac OSX is much more nimble and faster than MS bloatware (they still have code from Windows 3.1 running--Mac OSX was a complete rewrite when they abandoned OS 9).



goddog on 21 July 2009
IllegalPaladin said:

Yes that would explain it, but still that's the only thing right now. I wouldn't really be that interested in an iMac though (and they're still using C2D's), but I suppose that stems more from the fact that I like a full tower that I can customize and such which isn't really possible with a Mac anyway.

Yea, I've been thinking of doing a hackintosh just to try it out. Though I think I'd have to do some extra work because my CPU isn't a 'real' C2D (e2160).

Premiere CS4 looks like it's gone through quite a change and the layout and such reminds me more of Final Cut now.

yea premier has gone quite metamorphosis, its become quite a bit better since its reboot. the integration with aftereffects has drastically improved too 



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Viper1 on 21 July 2009

Given all variables are consistent between both the Mac and PC, the Mac may have some slight speed advantages in some areas though they may be so slight as to be imperceptible in every day use.

Point is that even if there are speed advantages (and some do exist) they don't result in a noticeably faster experience.

That said, a PC will also have speed advantages that are noticable to the average user.

 

 

The problem is you'll almost never be able to get all the variables consistent between them to even test this idea.

 

 

 



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Xoj on 21 July 2009

i use sony Vegas it's easy to use, and runs on not so powerful system.