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dunno001 on 10 July 2009
mibuokami said:
vaio said:
Undying said:
vaio said:
Undying said:
MontanaHatchet said:
Assuming they go third party like Sega, their best option is always multiplatform.

Do you think that Sony still holds a grudge against Nintendo? Nintendo did screw them over back in the early 90's.

Get your facts straight, Sony tried to steal Nintendo´s IP´s and thats why Nintendo backed out of the deal if they didn´t then Sony would own all of Nintendo´s IP´s today. So it was Sony that tried to screw Nintendo when Nintendo hired them for a cd-rom device.

Never heard that part of the story.

Then do the reasearch and you will see

Um can you provide some link? Because as far I was aware, the whole situation of Nintendo backing out stem from media distrubtion with Nintendo uncomfortable with Sony owning the medium the right to distrube (CD) and has nothing to do with IP which would have remained with Nintendo...

I do know that both of these are true, however, both sides have been so spun out of control via rumor-mongering that finding the actual truth is tough. What remains is that both sides failed to hash out all the terms in advance, and the disputes which rose were both sides wanting more than 50%. I'd say that both Nintendo and Sony torched the same bridge, which brings me to the actual topic itself.

Sony is more about graphics nowadays. They were pushing the HD aspect, and to go back on it now would be hypocritical. Plus, I do think there are some (especially at Sony Japan) who remember the burnt bridge, and would prefer to look away from Nintendo as long as possible. Thus, I would see them as remaining exclusive to 360 for consoles, with some of their larger titles also getting PC ports, possibly marketted with their own computers?



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vaio on 10 July 2009
mibuokami said:
vaio said:
mibuokami said:
Shadowblind said:

I'd say that for a while, they may support mainly Ninty, since it was only after MS entered the console warz did their domination end, depending on available hardware. Still afterwards they'd probably take the SEGA route and do multi.

And as many will need to come in here and say..."its not ever gonna happen, etc."


By that logic, Sega should have supported Nintendo exclusively as Sony was one of the big reason on why they failed with the Saturn / Dreamcast

 

Don't fool yourself, honour is dead.

Long live money our eternal master in the corporate world.

No they wouldn´t before Sony entered Nintendo was Sega´s biggest enemy and I am still suprised they actually pot anything on a Nintendo system. The biggest reason Sega went out was themselves Sony only helped making the procedure faster.

So you think the Wii hasn't stolen some market share of the PS3 as well? Shadowblind was singling out MS who are instrumental in bringing Sony to its current position but a large part of the problem was also Sony mismanagement. Sega lost market share to both Nintendo and Sony, but the lionshare whent to Sony, they've also made some terrible bussiness decision, much more so than even Sony.

I'm drawing similiar parallel to counter a similiar situation, not trying to give the correct and up-to-date ananlysis of Sega's downfall :p

I think the Wii has taken market share out of everyone.

My point was that Sega always saw Nintendo as their biggest opponent.

As an aswer to the post above this one:

he SNES-CD was to be announced at the June 1991 Consumer Electronics Show (CES). However, when Hiroshi Yamauchiread the original 1988 contract between Sony and Nintendo, he realized that the earlier agreement essentially handed Sony complete control over any and all titles written on the SNES CD-ROM format.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation

Nintendo knew at the time that cd would be the future and handing controll over any and all titles to sony that was only supposed to help them out with the cdrom would have been suicide for Nintendo.



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Saki on 10 July 2009
Carl2291 said:
Multi.

They will have some software ready for the PSmotes.

HD projects would go MS.

Yup because if Sony leaves the business Nintendo will still not have an HD system out by then.....seriously.

If Sony does leave next generation Ninty will have an HD system and Im 80% sure they would go Multi with slightly more exclusives on Nintendoes consoles




mibuokami on 10 July 2009
vaio said:
mibuokami said:
vaio said:
mibuokami said:
Shadowblind said:

I'd say that for a while, they may support mainly Ninty, since it was only after MS entered the console warz did their domination end, depending on available hardware. Still afterwards they'd probably take the SEGA route and do multi.

And as many will need to come in here and say..."its not ever gonna happen, etc."


By that logic, Sega should have supported Nintendo exclusively as Sony was one of the big reason on why they failed with the Saturn / Dreamcast

 

Don't fool yourself, honour is dead.

Long live money our eternal master in the corporate world.

No they wouldn´t before Sony entered Nintendo was Sega´s biggest enemy and I am still suprised they actually pot anything on a Nintendo system. The biggest reason Sega went out was themselves Sony only helped making the procedure faster.

So you think the Wii hasn't stolen some market share of the PS3 as well? Shadowblind was singling out MS who are instrumental in bringing Sony to its current position but a large part of the problem was also Sony mismanagement. Sega lost market share to both Nintendo and Sony, but the lionshare whent to Sony, they've also made some terrible bussiness decision, much more so than even Sony.

I'm drawing similiar parallel to counter a similiar situation, not trying to give the correct and up-to-date ananlysis of Sega's downfall :p

I think the Wii has taken market share out of everyone.

My point was that Sega always saw Nintendo as their biggest opponent.

As an aswer to the post above this one:

he SNES-CD was to be announced at the June 1991 Consumer Electronics Show (CES). However, when Hiroshi Yamauchiread the original 1988 contract between Sony and Nintendo, he realized that the earlier agreement essentially handed Sony complete control over any and all titles written on the SNES CD-ROM format.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation

Nintendo knew at the time that cd would be the future and handing controll over any and all titles to sony that was only supposed to help them out with the cdrom would have been suicide for Nintendo.

That was control of the distribution not control of the IP, if Nintendo had realize that CD Rom was the future, the N64 which was developed AFTER the SNES-CD concept would have been a CD-system.

The original agreement was (as far as I'm aware) a split with the right of distrution base on media format, with Sony getting the right (and royalty) for CD base distribution and Nintendo the cartridge, halfway through negotiation however they (Nintendo) got cold feet once they realize that Sony would have the right to distribute CD base games for even Nintendo titles (and the royalty associated with it) and decided to go behind Sony's make to create another console altogether.

The 'control over any and all title' here refers to the right of distribution any and all CD-base titles (and the royalty for it) not the ownership of the IP which is absolutely absurd.




brendin24 on 11 July 2009

MS, because their system is more powerful.



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vaio on 11 July 2009
mibuokami said:
vaio said:
mibuokami said:
vaio said:
mibuokami said:
Shadowblind said:

I'd say that for a while, they may support mainly Ninty, since it was only after MS entered the console warz did their domination end, depending on available hardware. Still afterwards they'd probably take the SEGA route and do multi.

And as many will need to come in here and say..."its not ever gonna happen, etc."


By that logic, Sega should have supported Nintendo exclusively as Sony was one of the big reason on why they failed with the Saturn / Dreamcast

 

Don't fool yourself, honour is dead.

Long live money our eternal master in the corporate world.

No they wouldn´t before Sony entered Nintendo was Sega´s biggest enemy and I am still suprised they actually pot anything on a Nintendo system. The biggest reason Sega went out was themselves Sony only helped making the procedure faster.

So you think the Wii hasn't stolen some market share of the PS3 as well? Shadowblind was singling out MS who are instrumental in bringing Sony to its current position but a large part of the problem was also Sony mismanagement. Sega lost market share to both Nintendo and Sony, but the lionshare whent to Sony, they've also made some terrible bussiness decision, much more so than even Sony.

I'm drawing similiar parallel to counter a similiar situation, not trying to give the correct and up-to-date ananlysis of Sega's downfall :p

I think the Wii has taken market share out of everyone.

My point was that Sega always saw Nintendo as their biggest opponent.

As an aswer to the post above this one:

he SNES-CD was to be announced at the June 1991 Consumer Electronics Show (CES). However, when Hiroshi Yamauchiread the original 1988 contract between Sony and Nintendo, he realized that the earlier agreement essentially handed Sony complete control over any and all titles written on the SNES CD-ROM format.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation

Nintendo knew at the time that cd would be the future and handing controll over any and all titles to sony that was only supposed to help them out with the cdrom would have been suicide for Nintendo.

That was control of the distribution not control of the IP, if Nintendo had realize that CD Rom was the future, the N64 which was developed AFTER the SNES-CD concept would have been a CD-system.

The original agreement was (as far as I'm aware) a split with the right of distrution base on media format, with Sony getting the right (and royalty) for CD base distribution and Nintendo the cartridge, halfway through negotiation however they (Nintendo) got cold feet once they realize that Sony would have the right to distribute CD base games for even Nintendo titles (and the royalty associated with it) and decided to go behind Sony's make to create another console altogether.

The 'control over any and all title' here refers to the right of distribution any and all CD-base titles (and the royalty for it) not the ownership of the IP which is absolutely absurd.

Did you read the part that says complete controll over any and all titles?

thats not controll of distribution thats controll over any and all titles that used the cdrom wich in turn could have been used by Sony later if the contract had gone through.

There is more to this story but I cant find links and only have swedish gaming newspapers from back then as source so therfore I am not going to mention it.

The thing is that Nintendo hired Sony to make them a cd and Sony tried to get the rights to the ip´s using said cd drive and they had no right to even remotly try it and if Nintendo would have gone along with it then Sony would have had the rights to those ip´s today unless Nintendo stayed with cartridge format which would still leave Sony with the rights to those games on cd format.



Vaio - "Bury me at Milanello"      R.I.P AC Milan

In the 60's, people took acid to make the world weird.
Now the world is weird  and people take Prozac  to make it normal.

If laughing is the best medicine and marijuana makes you laugh

Is marijuana the best medicine?

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind."

“If any creator has not played Mario, then they’re probably not a good creator. That’s something I can say with 100 percent confidence. Mario is, for game creators, the development bible.

mibuokami on 11 July 2009
vaio said:

Did you read the part that says complete controll over any and all titles?

thats not controll of distribution thats controll over any and all titles that used the cdrom wich in turn could have been used by Sony later if the contract had gone through.

There is more to this story but I cant find links and only have swedish gaming newspapers from back then as source so therfore I am not going to mention it.

The thing is that Nintendo hired Sony to make them a cd and Sony tried to get the rights to the ip´s using said cd drive and they had no right to even remotly try it and if Nintendo would have gone along with it then Sony would have had the rights to those ip´s today unless Nintendo stayed with cartridge format which would still leave Sony with the rights to those games on cd format.

I don't have the full fact (only standard industry news which never mentioned this) so I won't refute, but find it hard to believe Sony would attempt something so stupid when they have ab obvious interest invested in the success of the platform. Remember that Nintendo back then were very very arrogant and high-handed, this could be blown out of pro-portion either way like dunno001 said.




vaio on 11 July 2009
mibuokami said:
vaio said:

Did you read the part that says complete controll over any and all titles?

thats not controll of distribution thats controll over any and all titles that used the cdrom wich in turn could have been used by Sony later if the contract had gone through.

There is more to this story but I cant find links and only have swedish gaming newspapers from back then as source so therfore I am not going to mention it.

The thing is that Nintendo hired Sony to make them a cd and Sony tried to get the rights to the ip´s using said cd drive and they had no right to even remotly try it and if Nintendo would have gone along with it then Sony would have had the rights to those ip´s today unless Nintendo stayed with cartridge format which would still leave Sony with the rights to those games on cd format.

I don't have the full fact (only standard industry news which never mentioned this) so I won't refute, but find it hard to believe Sony would attempt something so stupid when they have ab obvious interest invested in the success of the platform. Remember that Nintendo back then were very very arrogant and high-handed, this could be blown out of pro-portion either way like dunno001 said.

Yeah back then Nintendo was the biggest idiots ever, there is no way to refute that. There was a similar situation between Sony and Sega at the same time and Sony has always been that arrogant to this day but i guess it part of why they are so big.



Vaio - "Bury me at Milanello"      R.I.P AC Milan

In the 60's, people took acid to make the world weird.
Now the world is weird  and people take Prozac  to make it normal.

If laughing is the best medicine and marijuana makes you laugh

Is marijuana the best medicine?

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind."

“If any creator has not played Mario, then they’re probably not a good creator. That’s something I can say with 100 percent confidence. Mario is, for game creators, the development bible.