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ioi said:
BKK2 said:
ioi said:
@BKK2 - Uk saw the smallest boost back at the end of last year following the price cut since 360 sales were already so strong over here. 360 was all but dead everywhere outside of the UK this time last year.

I know that 360 is up YOY - our data shows that as does that graph posted from Nintendo's briefing - I haven't disputed that. 600k in 5 months would mean that 360 has been selling about 50% in the UK of what it has been selling in the US (with less than 20% of the population). Also sales always slow in April and May from Feb and March (back to Nintendo's graph).

We've already said that the DS figure could be as high as 550k if the rounding works in your favour but even then the 360 figure still seems unreasonable.

With rounding it could be as low as 0.5m, NPD had X360 at 1.1m Feb-May, when June figures come in it will probably be ~1.3m (rounding FTW) which would be ~40% of lowest possible UK number. Despite having a population 20% the size of America, UK sold 27% of US hardware last year (9.3m Vs 34.7m), X360 is priced far more competitively in UK (even cheaper than Wii) than US, so I don't see why it's illogical that UK X360 sales can outperform X360 US sales.

Lol, cherry picking for the win!

Yes in the extreme case, we could have 40% of US sales vs 27% for total hardware sold. DS is much bigger in the UK than US as is PS3 so that skews the figure a fair bit for the 27%. A more realistic comparison would be the 50% I first posted (taking 600k as everyone is assuming) vs 22-23% for the general UK:US Xbox ratio we have seen in previous years. Selling twice as fast as it "should be" is unreasonable to me, even given the price point (and arcades are cheaper than Wiis in America as well).

ioi, why don't you just admit your site is wrong for once (nothing wrong in being wrong sometimes), GFK has a far more reputable name than vgc, vgc is always changing the sales figures trying to correct errors, I know who I would believe......



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I don't get all this rounding stuff and I am too tired to focus on it (just wrote my next exam, this time corporate governance)

So if you guys come to a conclusion, send me a Message please. I really want to see the adjustments and how big they will be.

 

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go go xbox 360, this great sales, will definitely bring price cut to xbox 360



ioi said:
BKK2 said:
ioi said:
@BKK2 - Uk saw the smallest boost back at the end of last year following the price cut since 360 sales were already so strong over here. 360 was all but dead everywhere outside of the UK this time last year.

I know that 360 is up YOY - our data shows that as does that graph posted from Nintendo's briefing - I haven't disputed that. 600k in 5 months would mean that 360 has been selling about 50% in the UK of what it has been selling in the US (with less than 20% of the population). Also sales always slow in April and May from Feb and March (back to Nintendo's graph).

We've already said that the DS figure could be as high as 550k if the rounding works in your favour but even then the 360 figure still seems unreasonable.

With rounding it could be as low as 0.5m, NPD had X360 at 1.1m Feb-May, when June figures come in it will probably be ~1.3m (rounding FTW) which would be ~40% of lowest possible UK number. Despite having a population 20% the size of America, UK sold 27% of US hardware last year (9.3m Vs 34.7m), X360 is priced far more competitively in UK (even cheaper than Wii) than US, so I don't see why it's illogical that UK X360 sales can outperform X360 US sales.

Lol, cherry picking for the win!

Yes in the extreme case, we could have 40% of US sales vs 27% for total hardware sold. DS is much bigger in the UK than US as is PS3 so that skews the figure a fair bit for the 27%. A more realistic comparison would be the 50% I first posted (taking 600k as everyone is assuming) vs 22-23% for the general UK:US Xbox ratio we have seen in previous years. Selling twice as fast as it "should be" is unreasonable to me, even given the price point (and arcades are cheaper than Wiis in America as well).

No "cherry picking" going on, and no "extreme cases" either. I was being generous with the X360 prediction for June, in reality it will probably be less than 1.3m. As for "taking 600k as everyone is assuming",it's been pointed out several times why these assumptions are flawed, but if you want to base your assumptions off of fanboy expectations go ahead. This will be the last post I make on this site, so I apologise in advance for not replying to your rebuttle.

 



BKK2 said:
ioi said:
BKK2 said:
ioi said:
@BKK2 - Uk saw the smallest boost back at the end of last year following the price cut since 360 sales were already so strong over here. 360 was all but dead everywhere outside of the UK this time last year.

I know that 360 is up YOY - our data shows that as does that graph posted from Nintendo's briefing - I haven't disputed that. 600k in 5 months would mean that 360 has been selling about 50% in the UK of what it has been selling in the US (with less than 20% of the population). Also sales always slow in April and May from Feb and March (back to Nintendo's graph).

We've already said that the DS figure could be as high as 550k if the rounding works in your favour but even then the 360 figure still seems unreasonable.

With rounding it could be as low as 0.5m, NPD had X360 at 1.1m Feb-May, when June figures come in it will probably be ~1.3m (rounding FTW) which would be ~40% of lowest possible UK number. Despite having a population 20% the size of America, UK sold 27% of US hardware last year (9.3m Vs 34.7m), X360 is priced far more competitively in UK (even cheaper than Wii) than US, so I don't see why it's illogical that UK X360 sales can outperform X360 US sales.

Lol, cherry picking for the win!

Yes in the extreme case, we could have 40% of US sales vs 27% for total hardware sold. DS is much bigger in the UK than US as is PS3 so that skews the figure a fair bit for the 27%. A more realistic comparison would be the 50% I first posted (taking 600k as everyone is assuming) vs 22-23% for the general UK:US Xbox ratio we have seen in previous years. Selling twice as fast as it "should be" is unreasonable to me, even given the price point (and arcades are cheaper than Wiis in America as well).

No "cherry picking" going on, and no "extreme cases" either. I actually rounded the number in your favour (38% Vs 40%). As for "taking 600k as everyone is assuming",it's been pointed out several times why these assumptions are flawed, but if you want to base your assumptions off of fanboy expectations go ahead. This will be the last post I make on this site, so I apologise in advance for not replying to your rebuttle.

 

Hold up, Don't take that far. We need you in this site, you are a great contributor. You have to understand, ioi is a little protective of this because that's what he does for a living now. There is some major adjustments to be made, problem is, the numbers don't seemed right at all.



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BKK2 said:
ioi said:

Lol, cherry picking for the win!

Yes in the extreme case, we could have 40% of US sales vs 27% for total hardware sold. DS is much bigger in the UK than US as is PS3 so that skews the figure a fair bit for the 27%. A more realistic comparison would be the 50% I first posted (taking 600k as everyone is assuming) vs 22-23% for the general UK:US Xbox ratio we have seen in previous years. Selling twice as fast as it "should be" is unreasonable to me, even given the price point (and arcades are cheaper than Wiis in America as well).

No "cherry picking" going on, and no "extreme cases" either. I was being generous with the X360 prediction for June, in reality it will probably be less than 1.3m. As for "taking 600k as everyone is assuming",it's been pointed out several times why these assumptions are flawed, but if you want to base your assumptions off of fanboy expectations go ahead. This will be the last post I make on this site, so I apologise in advance for not replying to your rebuttle.

 

WTF? You were the one who criticised my original post - I pointed out the flaws in your argument and you don't like it?

"With rounding it could be as low as 0.5m" - and it could be as high as 0.7m in the UK.
"UK sold 27% of US hardware last year" - like I said DS / PS3 skew that up, the Xbox ratio is more like 20%

So you basically picked the extremes and still got to a point where the UK:US ratio was 40% vs what you thought was a more typical 27% - which in itself raises alarm bells. When you take the opposite extremes you can get to a point where you have 50% vs 20% which is obviously even more unbelievable.

I am the one who has pointed out how flawed all the assumptions are - that is exactly the point I have been trying to make. Personally I think the Xbox360 figures in the UK are probably more like 350k but a combination of rounding, adjustments have made the figure look like 600k which I have stated looks wrong for a number of reasons, one of which is this comparison with US data. It was a reasonable point but you argued against it with an extreme example to try to suggest that selling even 500k Xbox360s in the last 5 months in the UK is reasonable when it's not as it would represent around 45% of US sales in the same timeframe when normally you'd expect UK sales to be closer to 20% of US.

Don't see why you take offence to any of that and I really don't see where I have been fanboyish about anything lol? Only thing that matters to me is VGChartz, I couldn't care less which console is "winning", just reporting the facts as accurately as we can.



BKK2 said:
ioi said:
BKK2 said:
ioi said:
@BKK2 - Uk saw the smallest boost back at the end of last year following the price cut since 360 sales were already so strong over here. 360 was all but dead everywhere outside of the UK this time last year.

I know that 360 is up YOY - our data shows that as does that graph posted from Nintendo's briefing - I haven't disputed that. 600k in 5 months would mean that 360 has been selling about 50% in the UK of what it has been selling in the US (with less than 20% of the population). Also sales always slow in April and May from Feb and March (back to Nintendo's graph).

We've already said that the DS figure could be as high as 550k if the rounding works in your favour but even then the 360 figure still seems unreasonable.

With rounding it could be as low as 0.5m, NPD had X360 at 1.1m Feb-May, when June figures come in it will probably be ~1.3m (rounding FTW) which would be ~40% of lowest possible UK number. Despite having a population 20% the size of America, UK sold 27% of US hardware last year (9.3m Vs 34.7m), X360 is priced far more competitively in UK (even cheaper than Wii) than US, so I don't see why it's illogical that UK X360 sales can outperform X360 US sales.

Lol, cherry picking for the win!

Yes in the extreme case, we could have 40% of US sales vs 27% for total hardware sold. DS is much bigger in the UK than US as is PS3 so that skews the figure a fair bit for the 27%. A more realistic comparison would be the 50% I first posted (taking 600k as everyone is assuming) vs 22-23% for the general UK:US Xbox ratio we have seen in previous years. Selling twice as fast as it "should be" is unreasonable to me, even given the price point (and arcades are cheaper than Wiis in America as well).

No "cherry picking" going on, and no "extreme cases" either. I was being generous with the X360 prediction for June, in reality it will probably be less than 1.3m. As for "taking 600k as everyone is assuming",it's been pointed out several times why these assumptions are flawed, but if you want to base your assumptions off of fanboy expectations go ahead. This will be the last post I make on this site, so I apologise in advance for not replying to your rebuttle.

 

BKK2, don't go leaving over it!

The fact is this, something somewhere isn't right, either VGC is wrong or GFK is wrong (which i can't see tbh), it will come out in the end so we will know what's what, but i will say this, the 360 has been selling superbly in the UK over the last few months, a few shops around here have ran out of pro units, normally only happens at Christmas!

Stay on the site, it's people like you that makes sure problems like this are sorted out! :)



man it's not like anyone of us are directly hurt by bad sales, cant we all be friends and accept it for now? 360 improved alot, wii has declined. Maybe it actually is better for nintendo fans(which i admit to be), amybe now we get to see serious action by nintendo! (More 1st party games, which i wouldnt mind at all!)



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Ok so with all the adjustments i guess these numbers were right then.

My question is this!

If these numbers are true and that is the reason for the change then this weeks numbers have the 360 above the Wii by just 1k, surely if these numbers are right then that means the Wii sales should be around 7k and not 15k?
Either that or the PS3 should be higher as it says they are neck and neck (ps3 and Wii)?



kopstudent89 said:
man it's not like anyone of us are directly hurt by bad sales, cant we all be friends and accept it for now? 360 improved alot, wii has declined. Maybe it actually is better for nintendo fans(which i admit to be), amybe now we get to see serious action by nintendo! (More 1st party games, which i wouldnt mind at all!)

Naw, you'll probably start seeing colors and Nintendo rescinding of that price hike. Craziest decision ever. It really looks like we will be seeing a price cut for Sony & Nintendo systems this year though...At least in Japan & the UK. Microsoft cutting the price to mass market definitely stopped the bleeding of marketshare.

...At first I didn't like the idea of them competing mainly on price point (Still unsure of it) But, for now in this ecomony it's working!



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