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Why can't 360 and PS3 be as reliable as the Wii?

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twesterm said:
yo_john117 said:

What i'm wondering is why don't MS and Sony try to be more like nintendo with making their consoles so they don't die so often.  Is it that hard to make a reliable console??

So do you think that MS and Sony are purposly making their consoles fail?

To be fair i think Nintendo just makes better hardware for whatever reason.  All of their consoles have been beasts when it comes to durability.  Like that gameboy that survived a bomb or whatever.

Sony seems to make their products fail on purpose after warranty...(some companys do plan that) but not really with the videogame systems.  Since those are ones you want to keep working so people keep buying software.



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Legend11 said:
Grampy said:
A lot of problems are heat related and Nintendo dodges that bullet pretty well by a more conservative design. Certainly they can and do fail but at a commendably low rate. But to give credit where it's due, they put in some impressive build quality. Next time you change the batteries in the Wiimote, check out the battery holder. They could have just used a bent piec of metal like the rest of the world but no............


Did you know that the same group of manufacturers make the Wii, Xbox 360 and PS3?  You were right when you mentioned heat but I find it hard to believe that Nintendo puts any more money into build quality than the competition considering how cheap their optical drives have been in the Wii and Gamecube.

that doesn't mean they go through the same QA process =P. one thing to factor in also is the obvious design decisions on these machines, one might just be more flawed than the other.



Nintendo does make some reliable systems. My NES SNES N64, and gameboy(the original) all are capable of playing games perfectly. My ps2 and ps3 are run great too though, I guess I've just had luck with systems.



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Kasz216 said:
twesterm said:
yo_john117 said:

What i'm wondering is why don't MS and Sony try to be more like nintendo with making their consoles so they don't die so often.  Is it that hard to make a reliable console??

So do you think that MS and Sony are purposly making their consoles fail?

To be fair i think Nintendo just makes better hardware for whatever reason.  All of their consoles have been beasts when it comes to durability.  Like that gameboy that survived a bomb or whatever.

Sony seems to make their products fail on purpose after warranty...(some companys do plan that) but not really with the videogame systems.  Since those are ones you want to keep working so people keep buying software.


I can understand that with the ps2, but my ps1 still works and my ps3 too(my ps2 actually works but I understand that it failed a lot), and the ps3 fail rate hasnt been as hight to the point to compare it with the xbox360, more like it has a similar one with the wii.



Legend11 said:
Grampy said:
A lot of problems are heat related and Nintendo dodges that bullet pretty well by a more conservative design. Certainly they can and do fail but at a commendably low rate. But to give credit where it's due, they put in some impressive build quality. Next time you change the batteries in the Wiimote, check out the battery holder. They could have just used a bent piec of metal like the rest of the world but no............


Did you know that the same group of manufacturers make the Wii, Xbox 360 and PS3?  You were right when you mentioned heat but I find it hard to believe that Nintendo puts any more money into build quality than the competition considering how cheap their optical drives have been in the Wii and Gamecube.

Well if Nintendo don't put more money into build quality then they are just better at it.  To my knowledge they only stopped offering a lifetime warranty with their systems when they introduced the Gamecube, due to the optical drive (or it may have been in the N64 era) so they do have a long history of building very reliable hardware or at the least standing by their manufacturing standards better than most companies.

Nevertheless low power consumption was an active part of the Wii's design process and not something that happened accidentally by using older technology than the conpetition, as some people have suggested. As people have noted heat is obviously a major factor contributing to product failure.

Here is a comparison of the power consumption of home consoles if you are interested.

http://www.sust-it.net/energy_saving.php?id=71

 



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Crazymann said:
TWRoO said:
Crazymann said:
1. Newer tech is less tried and true - more bleeding edge
2. Both companies were caught in an "arms race" for better graphics
3. More complex internals

P.S. I had a PS3 break too.

GameCube and Xbox were a lot more advanced than the PS2, but had far fewer problems..... I would bet the only reason the Wii has more problems than GameCube is it is being produced a bejesus lot faster than any console before.

The PS3 is more "bleeding edge" than the X360 yet it has a much better track record for not failing.... admitedly there is at least one good reason why PS3 is much better than previous Sony consoles, and that is the less stretched production as they are not in so much demand like PS1/2 and Wii were/are.... but that can only account for so much, so the PS3 is obviously built quite well (I would have said very well had you asked 6 months ago)


I was suggesting more of a combination of issues more than one thing.  There are always exceptions.  For whatever the reason, failure rates are higher over the past 2 generations than in previous ones.  I own a 2600, 5200, NES, SNES, GENISIS, N64, PS2, GCN, PS3 and Wii.  None of the old ones failed on me, and I know about the problems with the PS2 last gen.

Sure it may be anecdotal evidence, but it is no less valid than the "I've got X friends with Wii....." posts that are currently populating this thread.

Ah... well that is easily explainable.

It is not neccesarily more powerful tech, but more that discs took over cartridges.... more moving parts means more failure. I don't know how Nintendo got around it with the GameCube though as that thing was still incredibly reliable. Perhaps it was the smaller discs that are easier for the track of the laser.

Although even then N64 is probably still more reliable.



I haven't read most of the thread so i don't know if this has been mentioned but the PS3 that are messing up are the 60 gig ones. I haven't heard of the others failing that badly. The 60gigs are older and not made anymore so that could be why. And i have a 60 gig i hope it keeps working, knock on wood.



Lightning_24 said:

I haven't read most of the thread so i don't know if this has been mentioned but the PS3 that are messing up are the 60 gig ones. I haven't heard of the others failing that badly. The 60gigs are older and not made anymore so that could be why. And i have a 60 gig i hope it keeps working, knock on wood.

The blue is a valid reason why they could be failing more.... but until more time passes we won't know if similar things will happen to other models when they get as old as the 60G is now.

The purple makes no sense.... they are not made anymore true, but that shouldn't affect how they were made 2 years ago, so unless 60G PS3s are concious entities that are commiting suicide because they are not being made anymore, it isn't a valid reason as to why they are breaking more than other models.

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My suspicion is that 60G originals, with all the acctutriments will probably run a good bit hotter than newer models, so that will affect the life of the parts inside. So I suggest you keep it well ventilated, shaded, and don't play long hours of gaming on those heatwave days, which should lower the chances of anything happening to it.



It's already been proven that the fail rate of the PS3 and Wii are less than 1%. 360 is another story, but if you want to argue that the Wii fails .56% of the time, and the PS3 fails .60%, then you are a lost soul



I've sent my Wii in twice for repairs, bought it at launch. My PS3 has yet to bust or have something go wrong with it and it's an 80 gig with BC. Maybe I've just been lucky with my PS3(or maybe because it's not a launch console) or it's because my Wii was a launch console.