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I will buy a third party game if it's actually GOOD. Honestly there shouldn't be any excuses related to what kind of games should be made as it is obvious... If they want their games to sell well... promote, or advertise them and dont use such a low amount of money to make them. I can easily tell when a game looks cheaply made, and those are the kinda games I avoid.



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Arius Dion said:
intro94 said:
chrono trigger didnt do as highly as expected, but the final fantasy remakes did warrant 2 units,a s well as several spin offts,It all boils down to the title of the third party offered, Okami from capcom bombed, but RE 4 wii from capcom didnt, Punch Out!! is selling quite fine and steadily so, on par with higher budget games for other consoles with so called higher base, an example is infamous.
While madworld fate is arguable, it was cheaper to make for the wii than the similar PS3 game Afro samurai, and sold twice than that game.

Bionic commando millionary losses for ps3 were so huge, there were Layoffs as a result.It still has to reach 100k sales.And you think Madworld selling 200k is concerning?
HOTD on the other hand, selling over a million and the follow up making 300k in a few months, indicates success if anything.

Im proving right here with facts you can make a buck on ninty consoles as third party, if you promote and dont expect to compete with pokemon or wi fit, games that NO CONSOLE CAN HOPE TO COMPETE WITH. Halo3,nor MG4 nor any game from their respective consoles can hope to compete with such titles.Much less lower budget wii titles either.
What about Red steel?million seller being so bad, third party and all that. Enough to get a sequel too. Ubisoft is certainly not complaining.
Thats the core market showing your wrong ways.
And i sure you arent talking about the casual market, because theres a bigger slap in the face for your argument. EA is selling 600k units of their fitness game within weeks, and announced more than mere satisfaction with the sales.
And carnival games, in the casual dpt of sales, is third party and sold what,3 million?
So third party can succed on the wii in casual AND core market.No contest.

Didn't you hear? When Wii games sell like that they are flops "compared to userbase" Since the PS3 has less than Half the Wii's userbase games that sell like a Madworld or less arent doing so bad "compared to userbase"

But seriously, no one talks about games like Bionic Commando belly flopping or Afro Samurai. But had these games been on Wii they would be used as "proof" games like this can't sell on the system. If Conduit opens with Infamous like numbers watch how many people come out calling it a flop!

Trut me ,they will. Even tho the Conduit only had a fraction of the production costs of Infamous, if it sells like it, its a FLOOOP ...But for the ps3 its great sales. Double standarts.



I think The Conduit may be accessible enough to the mass market (and small core Wii base) to do quite well. Thanks to it's T rating. Let's face it, a lot of parents get Wiis for the kids or (kids for their parents) and eventually they'll want a FPS and since CoD is M, that only - note ONLY - leaves the Conduit. It could easily survive off the preteen set for years.

In addition there's still a group like myself that are PC FPS fans and have never migrated to console FPS because of the inferior controls. I know myself and a couple of my peers will be getting The Conduit because it's the first real, fully fleshed out FPS on consoles with controls that mirror the mouse controls we grew up with in precision.

However I have grave fears for the success of the Grinder and Glaldiator because of the intense violence and M rating they'll likely suffer the same fate as HoTD:O and Madworld.

A Mario Paintball FPS would sell millions though.



 

Arius Dion said:
Wow. Time warp, to 2007. And to think I was contemplating writing a thread on how Wii hate is subsiding.

It's not about Wii hate, it's about the whole problem on Nintendo Platform on Hardcore gaming. 3rd parties are just fine for developing their creative and casual trends on Wii but not hardcore titles. Look at the 3rd parties on both DS and Wii, they are just miserable and pathetic except casual titlez. Even the most hardcore and best selling title like GTA can't save Nintendo platform, Nintendo is just fine with Game Party(bottom 10 metacritic game) and Jillian Michaels' Fitness Ultimatum 2009(Read Amazon Review ).



Poor PS3 Sales Means Smaller Losses

"Actually, because the number of units sold was not as high as we hoped, the loss was better than our original expectation," Quotes from Sony’s CFO Nobuyuki Oneda.

Such a cherry picked article haha. Looks over all the "hardcore" games that have sold well on it but make sure to point out the ones that don't. What I find even funnier, is when a game does poorly on the Wii or DS it is a big deal but when one flops on the PS3 or 360 they just kinda look it over. Even the PSP, which is full of flops on a daily basis, doesn't even get this kind of attention.

It's almost like they are waiting for the Wii to prove something that it has already proven. Hanging on to that last little shred that for some odd reason makes them feel like they are right. I mean I know people hate Malstrom, but it's things like this that make him look like a genius.

Sure, some of these supposed big core Wii games didn't take off. It happens... trust me. But there were a lot of core 360 and PS3 games released in the same time that had piss poor sales as well. Wii may not have a huge fanbase that goes for the non-Nintendo core games as say PS360, but sales have shown the crowd is there and expanding.



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Where the hell are the Mariana Islands, and when did the natives there decide their biased opinion was important?

As for core games, I'm not sure what you refer to by Capcom's offerings last gen. RE1 remake, RE4, RE0, I'd say those weren't disappointing. Monster Hunter 3 is en route for the Wii, and the RE4 Wii version is hailed as the best version by many.

As for MMV, sure they might be crying, but Activision doesn't seem to think its worth the effort to deliver games to the PS3. I have little knowledge of MMV, but I sure know who Activision is. Different devs have different perspectives. If 3rd parties want a  hit "core" game on the Wii, make a game that lasts for more than 30 hours, with solid gameplay /controls, and isn't a cartoon.



macross said:
Arius Dion said:
Wow. Time warp, to 2007. And to think I was contemplating writing a thread on how Wii hate is subsiding.

It's not about Wii hate, it's about the whole problem on Nintendo Console on Hardcore gaming. 3rd parties are just fine for developing their creative and casual trends on Wii but not hardcore titles. Look at the 3rd parties on both DS and Wii, they are just miserable and pathetic except casual titlez. Even the most hardcore and best selling title like GTA can't save Nintendo platform, Nintendo is just fine with Game Party(bottom 10 metacritic game) and Jillian Michaels' Fitness Ultimatum 2009( http://www.amazon.com/Jillian-Michaels-Fitness-Ultimatum-Nintendo-Wii/dp/B001DDBBSS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1245444150&sr=1-1 ).

the problem is that for you to justify your statments you cant put them directly.

gta (which is a casual game btw ) and very good one.Sold already over 500k units.Its good,its really good.

. So for you to make sense you have to ADD comments like> Given the Ds playerbase, given the name of the brand and so forth.That doesnt matters.The game sold well and it printed money.Thats all that matters. That provess you can you can sell on the console.That proofs you can make money. COD on the DS also proved that.And thats why this is irrelevant to say it should sell like GTA4.No, because its not the heavily advertised huge budget game.Its a good portable game and has such sales, which are great noticing how many times cheaper it was to produce.

 



TruckOSaurus said:

Nintendo fanboys are enslaved to these games the same way Microsoft nuts are beholden to Halo or PS3 owners are to Ratchet and Clank.

Really? I haven't played a Ratchet and Clank game in my life but I own all Playstation consoles.

 

Me too.



Zucas said:
Such a cherry picked article haha. Looks over all the "hardcore" games that have sold well on it but make sure to point out the ones that don't. What I find even funnier, is when a game does poorly on the Wii or DS it is a big deal but when one flops on the PS3 or 360 they just kinda look it over. Even the PSP, which is full of flops on a daily basis, doesn't even get this kind of attention.

It's almost like they are waiting for the Wii to prove something that it has already proven. Hanging on to that last little shred that for some odd reason makes them feel like they are right. I mean I know people hate Malstrom, but it's things like this that make him look like a genius.

Sure, some of these supposed big core Wii games didn't take off. It happens... trust me. But there were a lot of core 360 and PS3 games released in the same time that had piss poor sales as well. Wii may not have a huge fanbase that goes for the non-Nintendo core games as say PS360, but sales have shown the crowd is there and expanding.

i know, it games flop(and they do often) in other consoles, they shush and stay quiet, nothing happened, its the fault of the game.if a single hardcore game doesnt sells millions on the wii or ds is time to scream. But if they do fine, suddenly they arent hardcore for some magic reason.

I will be very direct,  and this will shock some naysayers.Some multiplat games, hardcore games like Bully(the closest to a GTA on a wii), sold around as much as the HD consoles. Wrestling games sell similarly on ALL PLATFORMS. As long as the content is kept similar, wii sales are similar.



Zucas said:
Such a cherry picked article haha. Looks over all the "hardcore" games that have sold well on it but make sure to point out the ones that don't. What I find even funnier, is when a game does poorly on the Wii or DS it is a big deal but when one flops on the PS3 or 360 they just kinda look it over. Even the PSP, which is full of flops on a daily basis, doesn't even get this kind of attention.

It's almost like they are waiting for the Wii to prove something that it has already proven. Hanging on to that last little shred that for some odd reason makes them feel like they are right. I mean I know people hate Malstrom, but it's things like this that make him look like a genius.

Sure, some of these supposed big core Wii games didn't take off. It happens... trust me. But there were a lot of core 360 and PS3 games released in the same time that had piss poor sales as well. Wii may not have a huge fanbase that goes for the non-Nintendo core games as say PS360, but sales have shown the crowd is there and expanding.

Flops? Let's compare. At least there are hardcore 3rd parties on PSP , DS only got something like Mario & Sonic at the Olympic GamesCooking MamaMySims, Imagine: Babyz, Imagine: Fashion Designer, Hannah Montana etc.

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"Actually, because the number of units sold was not as high as we hoped, the loss was better than our original expectation," Quotes from Sony’s CFO Nobuyuki Oneda.