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Slimebeast said:
Squill, how many PC games have you bought (as in payed for, original games, not pirated)?

Pretty much all of them. The only ones I don't are whats called abandonware or games which for some reason cannot be easily found at retail/etail in my country.



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Microsoft can't prevent piracy of Windows itself, there's no way in hell they could ever implement a system to prevent PC game piracy.

Ironically, DRM has probably increased piracy, by a lot. I know after having my legit store bought copy of Spore hate me and think I was pirating it, I said screw it and headed to the Pirate Bay, and actually pirated a copy of it.

I find it ironic that my legit copy thought I was pirating it, but my pirated copy thought it was legit.

I'm not sure there really is a solution to PC piracy. About the best they can do is to make legit copies run easy enough, as not to encourage people to pirate it to get a better copy.



But Squill, arent your friends and classmates making you feel like a 'dumb fool' when you tell'em you pay for PC games? ('tis what would happen to me here in Sweden because pretty much all PC gamers over here are huge pirates)

Why are you buying games, when download is so easy?

(im not critizising at all, im just interested to hear your honest answers and how you reason)



Slimebeast said:

But Squill, arent your friends and classmates making you feel like a 'dumb fool' when you tell'em you pay for PC games? ('tis what would happen to me here in Sweden because pretty much all PC gamers over here are huge pirates)

Why are you buying games, when download is so easy?

(im not critizising at all, im just interested to hear your honest answers and how you reason)

Lets see, Age of Empires 2/3 are online games for me. Civilization IV is an online game as well for me. I don't buy that many games but I will play them for years. On console I don't buy that many games I just rent them and I often wait till the price is low or theres an expansion in the case of strategy games. Even if I wanted to pirate a tonne of games really there aren't that many I would want to anyway and its simply easier to buy them and share them with my friends. Also theres the fact that if I dont support my favourite developers I simply won't get as many games from them. I don't care what other people do, its just my personal principle.



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Squilliam said:
Slimebeast said:

But Squill, arent your friends and classmates making you feel like a 'dumb fool' when you tell'em you pay for PC games? ('tis what would happen to me here in Sweden because pretty much all PC gamers over here are huge pirates)

Why are you buying games, when download is so easy?

(im not critizising at all, im just interested to hear your honest answers and how you reason)

Lets see, Age of Empires 2/3 are online games for me. Civilization IV is an online game as well for me. I don't buy that many games but I will play them for years. On console I don't buy that many games I just rent them and I often wait till the price is low or theres an expansion in the case of strategy games. Even if I wanted to pirate a tonne of games really there aren't that many I would want to anyway and its simply easier to buy them and share them with my friends. Also theres the fact that if I dont support my favourite developers I simply won't get as many games from them. I don't care what other people do, its just my personal principle.


'I don't buy that many games'... really?

From your profile, the PC game collection:

PC (126) :


Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time

Age of Empires

Age of Empires II: The Age of Kings

Age of Empires II: The Conquerors

Age of Empires III

Age of Empires III: The Asian Dynasties

Age of Empires III: The WarChiefs

Age of Empires: The Rise of Rome

Black & White

Black & White 2

Blacksite: Area 51

Brett

Caesar II

Caesar III

Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare

Civilization

Civilization II

Civilization III

Sid Meier's Civilization IV

Command & Conquer 3: Tiberium Wars

Command & Conquer Renegade

Command & Conquer: Generals

Command & Conquer: Red Alert

Command & Conquer: Red Alert 2

Command & Conquer: Red Alert: The Aftermath

Command & Conquer: Tiberian Sun

Commander Keen: Goodbye Galaxy

Commander Keen: Keen Dreams

Company of Heroes

Company of Heroes: Opposing Fronts

Crysis

Dark Meesiah Might and Magic

Diablo

Diablo II

Diablo II: Lord of Destruction

Doom

Doom II

Doom III

Dreamfall: The Longest Journey

Duke Nukem 3D

Duke Nukem: Manhattan Project

Dune II: Battle for Arrakis

Dungeon Siege

Dungeon Siege II

Fallout

Fallout 2

Gothic II

Half-Life

Half-Life 2

Half-Life 2: Episode One

Half-Life 2: Episode Two

The Orange Box

Half-Life: Blue Shift

Half-Life: Opposing Force

Halo 2

Heart of Darkness

Heroes of Might and Magic

Heroes of Might and Magic II

Heroes of Might and Magic II: The Price of Loyalty

Heroes of Might and Magic III

Heroes of Might and Magic III: Armageddon's Blade

Heroes of Might and Magic III: The Shadow of Death

Heroes of Might and Magic IV

Heroes of Might and Magic V

Hitman: Blood Money

Hitman: Codename 47

ioi

Jagged Alliance

Master of Orion II: Battle at Antares

Master of Orion III

Max Payne

Max Payne 2: The Fall of Max Payne

Medal of Honor: Allied Assault

Medieval: Total War Battle Collection

Mortal Kombat 3

Neverwinter Nights

Neverwinter Nights 2

Nox

Overlord

Paradise

Prince of Persia (1989)

Prince of Persia: The Two Thrones

Prince of Persia: Warrior Within

Return to Castle Wolfenstein

Runaway: A Road Adventure

Runaway: The Dream of the Turtle

S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Shadow of Chernobyl

Serious Sam II

Serious Sam: The First Encounter

Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri

Sid Meier's Railroad Tycoon

Silent Hill 2

Silent Hill 3

Soldier of Fortune

Space Quest I: The Sarien Encounter

Space Quest II: Vohaul's Revenge

Space Quest III: The Pirates of Pestulon

Space Quest IV: Roger Wilco and the Time Rippers

Starcraft

Starcraft Brood War

Supreme Commander

Syndicate

The Black Mirror

The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion

Secret Files: Tunguska

The Witcher

Titan Quest

Titan Quest: Immortal Throne

Ultima VIII: Pagan

Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines

Warcraft: Orcs & Humans

Warcraft II: Tides of Darkness

Warcraft II: Beyond the Dark Portal

Warcraft II: Tides of Darkness

Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos

Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne

Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War

Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War - Dark Crusade

Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War: Soulstorm

Wing Commander II: Vengeance of the Kilrathi

Wolfenstein 3D

World in Conflict

X-COM: Apocalypse

X-COM: Terror from the Deep

X-COM: UFO Defense

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Most of those games are pretty old, they represent like 15 years of PC games purchases..



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

Thats an average of 6 per year in 20 years of PC gaming. Considering that many of those games I got in compilation packs with 4-5 different PC games and many others were gifts from friends who didn't use them anymore its probably no more than 3-4 per year actual purchases.



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Stan85 said:
Slimebeast said:
Squill, how many PC games have you bought (as in payed for, original games, not pirated)?


Most games are Pc and 360. People usualy pay for a 360 game,but most people pirate Pc games.

So...the ones that are losing are 360 players,while Pc players can download everything they want for free.

I really don`t know why MS allows Pc piracy like this ,they are just losing 360 sales and not gaining anything when someone pirates a "games for windows Live" game.


Ahh yes people buy so many X360 games that half the x-boxes i see in the second hand market have custom firmware flashed :)

And also Squill you failed with first paragraph when you mention HDCP - how many people have full HDCP chain in the pc ? And how much of that content that was protected with it didn't make it's way to torrents ?

Oh yes and by the time video card adoption makes even 20-30% of people have those new video cards wonders it will be years.  And if you make game DX11 only in initial time you will be as "succesfull" as Halo 2 pc version.

 

What you need is much simpler:

- simultaneous worldwide releses - if you force gamers in country x to wait two months more becouse their version is delayed don't expect them to wait and then buy those games in masses.

- localized versions with prices adequate to local market - very simple 50$ in USA is much diffrent than 50$ in East Europe/Asia/Africa

- good selection of cheap classics - in Poland you have games with multiple price categories - first they start at 30 euro , then after 6-18 months go into 15 euro price range then to 10/8 and finish in 5 euro series. So i can go and buy Planescape Torment in the shop for 5 euros or whole collection of icewind dale etc. Cheap games requiring very low end hardware is great way of making poorer people into clients who would otherwise resort to pirating.

- cheap DDL services where you can buy game even easier than pirating.



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How about Steam? It seems like a good way to stop piracy.



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Squilliam said:
Thats an average of 6 per year in 20 years of PC gaming. Considering that many of those games I got in compilation packs with 4-5 different PC games and many others were gifts from friends who didn't use them anymore its probably no more than 3-4 per year actual purchases.


Yeah now that I think of it... there's a very high proportion of old games in your library - games from the pre-broadband era - but very few new games...

I wonder why you have 'left' PC gaming lol...!