Imperial said: dcIKeeL said: Imperial said: Gh0st4lifE said: Imperial said: Has anyone got actual in game screenshots/gameplay footage of the XBOX 360 version of alan wake LOL 1 (gametrailers.com), does anyone even know what alan wake is about ? LOL 2 (if you don't get it have some friend explain it to you, and give him time). It's a sad state of affairs when fanboys try to tout games that they have no clue about as graphical powerhouses LOL 1 + 2 + LULZ of irony. Sony has proven consistently that the PS3 is a graphical powerhouse Quite the opposite :  lower framerates / slower loading times / worse anti aliasing / lower resolution / freezes  , it's no suprise to me that the industr is begining to confirm this (maybe in imagination land), it has however been known for a long time that the PS3 graphicaly suprases it's rival (it was promised by Sony, and then we know what happened). Uncharted , GT5:P , Ratchet and Clank etc ( I could go on) have consistently proven the PS3's graphical superiority  . Considering that the PS3 is already prooven to be ahead of the 360 ( Killzone 2 (considerable slowdowns and very limited models (no organic backgrounds for example) it'll be interesting to see the results of it pulling further ahead ( Heavy Rain , Uncharted 2 ?)     This must be the inaccurate post you were writing about (schizophrenic you )   1st Paragraph : My knowledge was Pre-E3 concerning alan wake , I don't have the time to know everything about the XBOX 360 libary I don't live on the intertnet . Most of my friends have no interest in the 360 , the ones that are have never talked about Alan Wake. The performance issues you reffering to are a problem on multi-platform games were the developer has failed to understand the architecture of the PS3 or hasnt' dedicated enough/correct resources towards developing games for it. Many PS3 titles technicaly trump what the 360 is capable of (The 32 lag-free multiplayer in Killzone for example , or the obscene amount of animations running at the same time in uncharted). LOL at the references to multiplatform games , you'll find that there are multi-plats which are superior on the PS3 (Burnout , GTA 4 for example) most PS3 exclusives are technicaly sound so good luck with counter -arguing that. You sir are the most irrational bias person on this site. Amazing, you managed to trump megaman2 or whatever his damn name is. You cannot argue about something for which you have skewed kowledge of. If this were a courtroom u'd be laughed out the trial. Not only do you not know anything about the 360's library but you are so biased you don't consider it important. EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE ARGUING GRAPHICS FOR WHICH YOU NEED COMPLETE KNOWLEDGE OF BOTH SIDES. Absurd absurd absurd, just absurd. If your going to argue against me at least use your skills of reading comprehension. I said I don't know everything about the XBOX 360 , it doesn't mean I don't have a good knowledge of it.

so why would you argue with someone who knows everything about xbox360?

I'm sorry I disagree with that IMO the conduit is not the best graphical game on the Wii.

madcrazy said: Imperial said: dcIKeeL said: Imperial said: Gh0st4lifE said: Imperial said: Has anyone got actual in game screenshots/gameplay footage of the XBOX 360 version of alan wake LOL 1 (gametrailers.com), does anyone even know what alan wake is about ? LOL 2 (if you don't get it have some friend explain it to you, and give him time). It's a sad state of affairs when fanboys try to tout games that they have no clue about as graphical powerhouses LOL 1 + 2 + LULZ of irony. Sony has proven consistently that the PS3 is a graphical powerhouse Quite the opposite :  lower framerates / slower loading times / worse anti aliasing / lower resolution / freezes  , it's no suprise to me that the industr is begining to confirm this (maybe in imagination land), it has however been known for a long time that the PS3 graphicaly suprases it's rival (it was promised by Sony, and then we know what happened). Uncharted , GT5:P , Ratchet and Clank etc ( I could go on) have consistently proven the PS3's graphical superiority  . Considering that the PS3 is already prooven to be ahead of the 360 ( Killzone 2 (considerable slowdowns and very limited models (no organic backgrounds for example) it'll be interesting to see the results of it pulling further ahead ( Heavy Rain , Uncharted 2 ?)     This must be the inaccurate post you were writing about (schizophrenic you )   1st Paragraph : My knowledge was Pre-E3 concerning alan wake , I don't have the time to know everything about the XBOX 360 libary I don't live on the intertnet . Most of my friends have no interest in the 360 , the ones that are have never talked about Alan Wake. The performance issues you reffering to are a problem on multi-platform games were the developer has failed to understand the architecture of the PS3 or hasnt' dedicated enough/correct resources towards developing games for it. Many PS3 titles technicaly trump what the 360 is capable of (The 32 lag-free multiplayer in Killzone for example , or the obscene amount of animations running at the same time in uncharted). LOL at the references to multiplatform games , you'll find that there are multi-plats which are superior on the PS3 (Burnout , GTA 4 for example) most PS3 exclusives are technicaly sound so good luck with counter -arguing that. You sir are the most irrational bias person on this site. Amazing, you managed to trump megaman2 or whatever his damn name is. You cannot argue about something for which you have skewed kowledge of. If this were a courtroom u'd be laughed out the trial. Not only do you not know anything about the 360's library but you are so biased you don't consider it important. EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE ARGUING GRAPHICS FOR WHICH YOU NEED COMPLETE KNOWLEDGE OF BOTH SIDES. Absurd absurd absurd, just absurd. If your going to argue against me at least use your skills of reading comprehension. I said I don't know everything about the XBOX 360 , it doesn't mean I don't have a good knowledge of it. so why would you argue with someone who knows everything about xbox360?

How is that question at all relevant to the discussion ? we aren't discussing the 360 alone , so a complete knowledge of it is not required . We discussing the 360 in comparison to the PS3 where I have complete knowledge of everything that is relevant to the core of that discussion.

Imperial said: dcIKeeL said: Imperial said: Gh0st4lifE said: Imperial said: Has anyone got actual in game screenshots/gameplay footage of the XBOX 360 version of alan wake LOL 1 (gametrailers.com), does anyone even know what alan wake is about ? LOL 2 (if you don't get it have some friend explain it to you, and give him time). It's a sad state of affairs when fanboys try to tout games that they have no clue about as graphical powerhouses LOL 1 + 2 + LULZ of irony. Sony has proven consistently that the PS3 is a graphical powerhouse Quite the opposite :  lower framerates / slower loading times / worse anti aliasing / lower resolution / freezes  , it's no suprise to me that the industr is begining to confirm this (maybe in imagination land), it has however been known for a long time that the PS3 graphicaly suprases it's rival (it was promised by Sony, and then we know what happened). Uncharted , GT5:P , Ratchet and Clank etc ( I could go on) have consistently proven the PS3's graphical superiority  . Considering that the PS3 is already prooven to be ahead of the 360 ( Killzone 2 (considerable slowdowns and very limited models (no organic backgrounds for example) it'll be interesting to see the results of it pulling further ahead ( Heavy Rain , Uncharted 2 ?)     This must be the inaccurate post you were writing about (schizophrenic you )   1st Paragraph : My knowledge was Pre-E3 concerning alan wake , I don't have the time to know everything about the XBOX 360 libary I don't live on the intertnet . Most of my friends have no interest in the 360 , the ones that are have never talked about Alan Wake. The performance issues you reffering to are a problem on multi-platform games were the developer has failed to understand the architecture of the PS3 or hasnt' dedicated enough/correct resources towards developing games for it. Many PS3 titles technicaly trump what the 360 is capable of (The 32 lag-free multiplayer in Killzone for example , or the obscene amount of animations running at the same time in uncharted). LOL at the references to multiplatform games , you'll find that there are multi-plats which are superior on the PS3 (Burnout , GTA 4 for example) most PS3 exclusives are technicaly sound so good luck with counter -arguing that. You sir are the most irrational bias person on this site. Amazing, you managed to trump megaman2 or whatever his damn name is. You cannot argue about something for which you have skewed kowledge of. If this were a courtroom u'd be laughed out the trial. Not only do you not know anything about the 360's library but you are so biased you don't consider it important. EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE ARGUING GRAPHICS FOR WHICH YOU NEED COMPLETE KNOWLEDGE OF BOTH SIDES. Absurd absurd absurd, just absurd. If your going to argue against me at least use your skills of reading comprehension. I said I don't know everything about the XBOX 360 , it doesn't mean I don't have a good knowledge of it.

The fact that you would argue something you knew nothing about (alan wake) makes absolutely no sense, makes your extreme bias evident and discredits you completely. Anything was an exaggeration for emphasis, why you would even point this out just proves your lack of an argument. And I'm assuming you know little about the 360 because you claim the ps3 has set the standard this whole gen when really it's gone back and forth. In terms of graphics at least.

I get the feeling he lost a bet, lol.

To the bolded:

1. Games you can actually get? What's that mean? Can you clarify please.

2. That's subjective, if it work, I prefer free, lol.

3. GT5 Prologue is out and GT is the most respected racing franchise out there, with GT5 comming. The F1 racing games are multiplat and comming soon, not to mention the F1 game out on PS3 now. Race Driver GRID is multiplat if you wanna count that.

dcIKeeL said: Imperial said: dcIKeeL said: Imperial said: Gh0st4lifE said: Imperial said: Has anyone got actual in game screenshots/gameplay footage of the XBOX 360 version of alan wake LOL 1 (gametrailers.com), does anyone even know what alan wake is about ? LOL 2 (if you don't get it have some friend explain it to you, and give him time). It's a sad state of affairs when fanboys try to tout games that they have no clue about as graphical powerhouses LOL 1 + 2 + LULZ of irony. Sony has proven consistently that the PS3 is a graphical powerhouse Quite the opposite :  lower framerates / slower loading times / worse anti aliasing / lower resolution / freezes  , it's no suprise to me that the industr is begining to confirm this (maybe in imagination land), it has however been known for a long time that the PS3 graphicaly suprases it's rival (it was promised by Sony, and then we know what happened). Uncharted , GT5:P , Ratchet and Clank etc ( I could go on) have consistently proven the PS3's graphical superiority  . Considering that the PS3 is already prooven to be ahead of the 360 ( Killzone 2 (considerable slowdowns and very limited models (no organic backgrounds for example) it'll be interesting to see the results of it pulling further ahead ( Heavy Rain , Uncharted 2 ?)     This must be the inaccurate post you were writing about (schizophrenic you )   1st Paragraph : My knowledge was Pre-E3 concerning alan wake , I don't have the time to know everything about the XBOX 360 libary I don't live on the intertnet . Most of my friends have no interest in the 360 , the ones that are have never talked about Alan Wake. The performance issues you reffering to are a problem on multi-platform games were the developer has failed to understand the architecture of the PS3 or hasnt' dedicated enough/correct resources towards developing games for it. Many PS3 titles technicaly trump what the 360 is capable of (The 32 lag-free multiplayer in Killzone for example , or the obscene amount of animations running at the same time in uncharted). LOL at the references to multiplatform games , you'll find that there are multi-plats which are superior on the PS3 (Burnout , GTA 4 for example) most PS3 exclusives are technicaly sound so good luck with counter -arguing that. You sir are the most irrational bias person on this site. Amazing, you managed to trump megaman2 or whatever his damn name is. You cannot argue about something for which you have skewed kowledge of. If this were a courtroom u'd be laughed out the trial. Not only do you not know anything about the 360's library but you are so biased you don't consider it important. EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE ARGUING GRAPHICS FOR WHICH YOU NEED COMPLETE KNOWLEDGE OF BOTH SIDES. Absurd absurd absurd, just absurd. If your going to argue against me at least use your skills of reading comprehension. I said I don't know everything about the XBOX 360 , it doesn't mean I don't have a good knowledge of it. The fact that you would argue something you knew nothing about (alan wake) makes absolutely no sense, makes your extreme bias evident and discredits you completely. Anything was an exaggeration for emphasis, why you would even point this out just proves your lack of an argument. And I'm assuming you know little about the 360 because you claim the ps3 has set the standard this whole gen when really it's gone back and forth. In terms of graphics at least.

If you read back to my discussion with Selnor I made it clear that I was unaware of the recent information on Alan Wake and I held that it was still irrelevant to the discussion , it was merely a side point.

Alan Wake is still a game that is yet to be released and setting the standard refers to things that happened in the past ,so you can't criticise me for not having a complete knowledge on a future game when reffering to the past.

@imperial

Additionally, you're incredible bewildering bias is further confirmed by the fact that you own a ps3 and know little about the 360. Why? Because it proves you made your decision based on the fact that you love sony instead of taking a hard look at what each console offered and making your decision.

I know everything about both the 360 and the ps3 because I analyzed both before I made a purchased and decided the 360 brought more to the table. Furthermore I am a fan of gaming in general.

1. i'm talking bout GT5 and similar yearly festival delayed of games you see on ps3.

2. exactly if it work i had ps3 when i exchanged it with my friend for a wii - it didn't work even though it worked perfectly fine on 360 with my slow internet connection - i have 384kbps. yeah that's another magic thing bout my country we have one of the highest prices for internet in the world(we are 3rd on that great "Best of" list if i remember correctly) and the slowest one in whole europe.

3. GT Prologue is just a demo and like i said once it's most respected cause since psx it was the only console game that would try to be racing sim. but then again every console racing sim looks like an arcade compared to pc ones and Forza so far proved to be better racing sim than GT during this generation. plus there are 2 PGR games, Race Pro, 1 Forza game and soon will be another one plus multiplatform games.

The additional gains which can be achieved are much larger on the PS3 compared to the on the XBox 360 regarding to the currently available technically most impressive games.

IMO with regard to the top segment the PS3 is already well ahead of what the 360 provides.

Uncharted: Drake's Fortune is IMO one of such games and if you looked at Uncharted 2 gameplay, I think it's obvious there are amazing gains to be achieved with proper dedication. Similar grand technical gains may well be achieved with a Killzone 3 in the future, for example.

Regarding 3rd party multi-platform games there are other issues involved. You won't see a game which has twice the amount of onscreen activity than compared to another supported console which can't handle this. This also because it would result into design issues for the porting process. Such games are also less likely to take full advantage of distinguishing features such as the extra storage provided by Blu-Ray disc, potentially resulting in better (lossless 7.1) audio and better quality or more varierty textures. One obvious example would be sixaxis motion control, multi-platform developers can't fully rely on this as it's not available on the 360 (a potential major stumbling block for multi-platform PS3/360 game design).

Other important distinguishing factors are a default harddrive to rely on or the 8 processor PS3 Cell chip.

Everything which can be achieved on the XBox 360 in high definition can potentially from a hardware specifications perspective be achieved on the PS3 as well, albeit this may require additional development and different implementation. For example taking better advantage of the Cell processor, letting the RSX use XDR or harddrive caching. Most modern games are as good as identical, but for a few titles even this may not be realized in full for a varierty of reasons.

Some games maxing out XB360's CPU and GPU could be useful for users to burn remaining vulnerable units before the extended warranty against RRoD expires.