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Blip on 20 March 2007

staticneuron said: The studio's know the market intergration of HD. These companies are not going to base who is a victor off of who does not have an HDTV. Situations are relative but I am shocked to still hear this. Betamax and blu ray are polar opposites. Blu ray has more in line with VHS in terms of support, licensing, runtime/space and overall goal. At the CES of this year, it was claimed that an average of 6 br movies were sold per PS3 owner. I highly doubt that many movies are because of coupons and the growing attach ratio is not in line with the opinion that this is a phase. I find it fascinating to see people assume that they have a better grasp of the situation than these billion dollar companies................... that have been around longer than most of us have lived.
And your grasp is so much superior? I am sure most of these companies thought that PS3s would be flying of the shelves when they signed on to BluRay. And these ever knowing companies never ever make hundreds of millions of dollars flop movies because they know their audiences so well... You can have your opinions and I'll have mine - I say they both flop. It is too soon.



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dallas on 20 March 2007

Perhaps the Chinese will come in with cut-rate high-def players and DVD's to trounce blu-ray some time in the future, but it looks as if blu-ray is winning so far, to deny that would be to ignore reality itself. HD-TV's and DVD's are very popular and are here to stay.



HappySqurriel on 20 March 2007

http://www.tvpredictions.com/iger030707.htm Washington, D.C. (March 7, 2007)-- Disney CEO Bob Iger says the HDTV DVD business will not take off until a clear winner emerges. The Sony-backed Blu-ray format is battling the Toshiba-supported HD-DVD format for the new high-def disc audience. However, sales of both formats have been disappointing due to consumer confusion over the disc war and high player prices. In an address yesterday before the 2007 Bear Stearns Media Conference, Iger said that new technologies such as high-def DVDs and movie downloads are not threatening the standard DVD business. “We’re very confident the DVD business is going to continue to be successful,” Iger said, according to Video Business. “We sold 130 million DVDs last quarter. This business is not going away for us at all.” The Disney chief said the growth in HDTV set sales will spark more interest in HDTV DVD players, but many consumers will hesitate to buy one until one format wins. According to Video Business, Iger did not predict that Blu-ray would win although Disney is supporting the format over HD-DVD. Ted Sarandos, Netflix's chief content officer, told the conference yesterday that consumers spent only $200 million in 2006 on movie downloads and HDTV DVDs, far less than what was spent on standard DVDs. Video Business writes that Sarandos said Netflix customers who rent HDTV DVDs report a 80-90 percent satisfaction level. However, he agreed with Iger that the business will struggle until one format wins.



stof on 20 March 2007

Long Live VHS! No really, the best part about DVD is that everybody is trying to get rid of their VHS movies. You can find some amazing stuff at flea markets. I got Slumber Party Massacre for 2 bucks!



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dallas on 20 March 2007

1. Consumer confusion will be non-existant once the blu-ray wins. I am not saying that the blu will win b/c of smoking too much opium which I dabble in on frequent occoasion, I am saying that b/c the news clearly shows that it is winning. 2. High prices will decrease the prices of players once the industry consolidates to the blu-ray format....prices are going down already and it was like this as well when the first "normal" dvd players came out. Just as the prices of the consoles will decrease upon their launch, so will the prices of the players of new formats of DVD's.



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staticneuron on 20 March 2007

Blip said: staticneuron said: The studio's know the market intergration of HD. These companies are not going to base who is a victor off of who does not have an HDTV. Situations are relative but I am shocked to still hear this. Betamax and blu ray are polar opposites. Blu ray has more in line with VHS in terms of support, licensing, runtime/space and overall goal. At the CES of this year, it was claimed that an average of 6 br movies were sold per PS3 owner. I highly doubt that many movies are because of coupons and the growing attach ratio is not in line with the opinion that this is a phase. I find it fascinating to see people assume that they have a better grasp of the situation than these billion dollar companies................... that have been around longer than most of us have lived. And your grasp is so much superior? I am sure most of these companies thought that PS3s would be flying of the shelves when they signed on to BluRay. And these ever knowing companies never ever make hundreds of millions of dollars flop movies because they know their audiences so well... You can have your opinions and I'll have mine - I say they both flop. It is too soon.
These companies signed on to the BDA as far back as 1998. The PS2 wasn't even an equasion then. I do not persume to know everything, I am just assuming that these companies actually study and actually have a long term plan to implement these products....... it seems as if they are into keeping their money and making even more on top of that. The point I am trying to make is that during this console and format war people here and on other sites are expecting an instant intergration or results. Thefore if it doesn't hapen in a month or two it will never happen. The piont is to make the formats available for as long as possible while HDTV prices bottom out. Soon all tv's you can pick up will be HD. If I can walk into a store and send 300 to 400 dollars to get an HDTV, the subject of intergration is only a matter of time. Sort of like DVD's. My aunt just recently bought a DVD player. I am pretty sure that to this day there probably are quite a few people who still use VHS......... so obviously there is a point in time in which it is considered a success. If the market was not growing I highly doubt so many companies would be throwing their weight behind these products. It is really just a matter of using logic.



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HappySqurriel on 20 March 2007

dallas said: 1. Consumer confusion will be non-existant once the blu-ray wins. I am not saying that the blu will win b/c of smoking too much opium which I dabble in on frequent occoasion, I am saying that b/c the news clearly shows that it is winning. 2. High prices will decrease the prices of players once the industry consolidates to the blu-ray format....prices are going down already and it was like this as well when the first "normal" dvd players came out.
I would actually say the more important part of the first bolded section was "sales of both formats have been disappointing ..." People talk about how well Blu-Ray is doing compared to HD-DVD but don't see the big picture; compare the quote "We sold 130 million DVDs last quarter" and "consumers spent only $200 million in 2006 on movie downloads and HDTV DVDs" and what you realize is that Disney made (roughly) 10 times as much money off of DVD sales in one quarter than the entire industry made off of HD DVD/Blu-Ray moves and downloads combined ...



dallas on 20 March 2007

HappySqurriel said: dallas said: 1. Consumer confusion will be non-existant once the blu-ray wins. I am not saying that the blu will win b/c of smoking too much opium which I dabble in on frequent occoasion, I am saying that b/c the news clearly shows that it is winning. 2. High prices will decrease the prices of players once the industry consolidates to the blu-ray format....prices are going down already and it was like this as well when the first "normal" dvd players came out. I would actually say the more important part of the first bolded section was "sales of both formats have been disappointing ..." People talk about how well Blu-Ray is doing compared to HD-DVD but don't see the big picture; compare the quote "We sold 130 million DVDs last quarter" and "consumers spent only $200 million in 2006 on movie downloads and HDTV DVDs" and what you realize is that Disney made (roughly) 10 times as much money off of DVD sales in one quarter than the entire industry made off of HD DVD/Blu-Ray moves and downloads combined ...
Correct, but you aren't getting my point. Once the consolidation happens, the blu-ray should get 2x as many sales as it does currently, which will make prices drop down. Once these become more popular, prices will drop. You think that the first of anything is going to be cheap, and it just ain't bub.



staticneuron on 20 March 2007

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060313-6374.html "Disney considering HD DVD support, sees Blu-ray as eventual winner" By Ken Fisher | Published: March 13, 2006 - 06:43PM CT "Now it appears as though a Blu-ray backer may opt for a bit of neutrality as well. During the company's annual meeting with shareholders last week, Disney CEO Robert Iger said that HD DVD support is a real possibility. Saying that "we're very exited about next generation DVD formats," Iger made it clear that Disney has been supporting Blu-ray because they believe it "offers more features and higher quality than the competing format." However, before saying that that company still believes that Blu-ray is going to ultimately prevail, Iger admitted that the company "will probably publish in both formats." That is, Disney will likely release titles in both HD DVD and Blu-ray." News is spin I guess...... "I would actually say the more important part of the first bolded section was "sales of both formats have been disappointing ..." People talk about how well Blu-Ray is doing compared to HD-DVD but don't see the big picture; compare the quote "We sold 130 million DVDs last quarter" and "consumers spent only $200 million in 2006 on movie downloads and HDTV DVDs" and what you realize is that Disney made (roughly) 10 times as much money off of DVD sales in one quarter than the entire industry made off of HD DVD/Blu-Ray moves and downloads combined ..." Really!!! more money off of dvd???? No this cant be.... check your numbers again!! Seriously...... comparing these formats to dvd is silly. The only way these formats should be compared to is the proliferation of HDTV's in the home market. Comparisons can be used to say anything. The sales of Bentley's are horrible. Do you know how many honda's were sold last quarter? Geeze...... someone's gonna have to close up shop really soon if they don't sell more...... PS: Your consumer confusion quote was not from Bob Iger it was the authors opinion.



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dallas on 20 March 2007

gebx said: HappySqurriel said: I'm not too sure how anyone else will respond, but personally I would rather VGCharts remains strictly videogame related ... A sister site "DVD CHARTS" may work though ... I don't think it would change things much, just a new Forum "New DVD format" or whatever and a little box on the front page that say how many of each have been sold.
Either way, it would be a pretty short-lived feature. How long can HD-DVD stay in a losing business, that is already looking bad for them? I doubt that they will hang around for another year.