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Strategyking92 on 04 June 2009
JEDE3 said:
Night - Would you pay 5 dollars for a McDonalds value meal just to get a drink, burger, and empty thing of fries? No, you wouldn't. You paid for those fries and you should expect to be able to eat them.

I think the situation applies to a krispy kreme setting more. I mean, do the absense of fries make the rest uneatable?

You buy the -coffee&bagel combo/game-. This is perfectly fine, as it is enough for you. But you notice that they also have -jelly/more content- for your bagel, so you get that too. Although, if you didn't want the jelly you could just sell it/keep it just in case without losing a thing.

 



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JEDE3 on 04 June 2009

No this is definatly the McDonalds analogy. You aren't getting everything you paid for.



Rainbird on 04 June 2009
Squilliam said:
Rainbird said:
mysticD said:
Cheer for all the trolls. It never said anywhere you can't play Forza 3. The 2nd disc will most likely act like DLC content just like what they did with Platinum edition of Forza2 (or GOTY Oblivion). If you have HDD or enough space on your MU then you can download the stuff off the 2nd disc for the main game.

Where the hell does it said that Arcade unit can not run Forza 3? I love all the FUD and butthurts of PS3 fans because their E3 was a big thud.

You're the one trolling here. We know it will run Forza 3, but if you pay for the full game, and your Arcade unit can't run THE FULL GAME, then you've been played.

THAT is the issue.

You can buy Rock Band 2 for $60. But it would cost you another $100 to experience the game properly that you paid for. You can't run the full game.

Is it an issue?

You can buy Gears 2 and not be able to use the free multiplayer maps because you're not connected to the internet with your console.

Is it an issue?

So if Turn 10 didnt have that 2nd disc, everyone would still be asked to pay $60 and the people with the HDD would miss out on the extra content. If the disc exists then the people with no HDD are no worse off than before and the people with HDD are better off.

Is it really an issue? No one is better off if theres only one disc, some people are better off with 2-3 discs. Therefore theres no net loss for the people without HDD from this and theres a net gain from people with HDDs.

Of course it's an issue. Consumers are promised that the Arcade can play the exact same games the other SKUs can, but Arcade owners will have to settle for a gimped version unless they want to fork out the cash to get the full value of their money that went to buying Forza 3. It's another thing that you can't download extra DLC which was made to be just that, extras, addons etc.

And Rock Band 2 demands you buy all the instruments to get the full experience no matter what console you own. You don't have to buy a fifth peripheral, just because you happen to own a specific SKU of a console.



BMaker11 on 04 June 2009
NightAntilli said:

@Rainbird & dougsdad0629:

I'm not saying there won't be arcade users that will be mad or will be interested. There will always be people who are mad or interested. There are even people that think this MS conference was the worst for example. My point is, that group of arcade users interested in Forza 3 is so small, that it won't be a large scale problem at all. You guys are making a problem of it, while you probably own a hard disk yourself, or you don't own an X360 at all.

Like I said earlier, if you want to use the additional content on the other disk, just get a hard drive, but the chances are you have one already if you're interested in the game. That's your responsibility because Forza is clearly focused on dedicated gamers, because a casual gamer wouldn't care if such a game has 50 or 500 cars. They just want to play and relax. If they are a racing freak they already would have a hard drive and a racing wheel.

They could've made that content downloadable, and arcade users would not be able to download it because of the lack of a hard drive or internet. And no one would complain about missing tracks or cars if that was the case, even if they were free. And suddenly it's a problem now? Sorry, but I simply don't see the issue. Most people would just say, get an internet connection and connect your Xbox to get the free DLC. Well, now I say, get a hard drive.

Anyway, consider this my last post. This is my opinion, and I guess this will be a never-ending discussion if we keep going. So bye.

You pulled that STRAIGHT out of your ass.

To others bashing the Arcade: What's wrong with you? It was M$s means of getting their consoles to as many people as possible for as cheap as possible, yet it's a "tard pack" now? And these are the same people who in a recent thread sarcastically replied "Damn you Microsoft and your low low prices!"

The point is: If you want to play Forza 3 in full, for the $60 you spent on it, you have to spend extra money, and that's BS. This second disc doesn't act like DLC. That second disc is the REMAINDER of the content of the game, not EXTRA. This shows what ever person knew from the beginning: the 360 disc has limitations on games. Not to bring in a Blu ray argument, but it was you people saying BR was pointless, but at the same time failed to realize that games get bigger as a generation goes on. It was just proved here, and even with iD Software working on Rage. In the case of Forza 3, the game was too big to fit on one disc, so the put the rest of the cars and tracks on disc 2. If you don't have an HDD, you don't get to play Forza 3. You get to play Forza 2.7



Vaza on 04 June 2009

I could care less because I have a hard drive but I don't understand why they can't put the engine on both discs, and have the tracks on the 2nd disc playable by changing discs as people were expecting. Lost Odyssey and other RPGs had to put up with holding the whole engine plus the extra areas, characters, voice acting, CGI movies and other data specific to that section of the game.

If they really can't do this, they I'm happy, because it must mean that there is 18GB of heavily compressed cars and tracks in the game for me with a hard drive to play with. But it sucks for the Arcade owners. I swear Microsoft were selling 20GB HD's for like $20 before, I don't see why that deal can't happen again, to help lessen the problem.



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Squilliam on 04 June 2009
Rainbird said:

Of course it's an issue. Consumers are promised that the Arcade can play the exact same games the other SKUs can, but Arcade owners will have to settle for a gimped version unless they want to fork out the cash to get the full value of their money that went to buying Forza 3. It's another thing that you can't download extra DLC which was made to be just that, extras, addons etc.

And Rock Band 2 demands you buy all the instruments to get the full experience no matter what console you own. You don't have to buy a fifth peripheral, just because you happen to own a specific SKU of a console.

In this case they can still play the same game. It has never been the promise that they can play every game exactly as a 20GB+ owner could because some multi-player options, even local multi-player options are excluded if you don't own a HDD. So this is not the first case and this is not the last case where this will or has happened. The promise as I interpretted it, is that you can get the same basic functionality of just playing games cheaper if you choose the Arcade. It doesn't promise that every experience will be identical because some experiences would have to require a HDD as otherwise the HDD would be useless dead weight. There aren't any games aside from two which require a HDD to actually play, so that promise holds true.



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jesus kung fu magic on 04 June 2009
BMaker11 said:
NightAntilli said:

@Rainbird & dougsdad0629:

I'm not saying there won't be arcade users that will be mad or will be interested. There will always be people who are mad or interested. There are even people that think this MS conference was the worst for example. My point is, that group of arcade users interested in Forza 3 is so small, that it won't be a large scale problem at all. You guys are making a problem of it, while you probably own a hard disk yourself, or you don't own an X360 at all.

Like I said earlier, if you want to use the additional content on the other disk, just get a hard drive, but the chances are you have one already if you're interested in the game. That's your responsibility because Forza is clearly focused on dedicated gamers, because a casual gamer wouldn't care if such a game has 50 or 500 cars. They just want to play and relax. If they are a racing freak they already would have a hard drive and a racing wheel.

They could've made that content downloadable, and arcade users would not be able to download it because of the lack of a hard drive or internet. And no one would complain about missing tracks or cars if that was the case, even if they were free. And suddenly it's a problem now? Sorry, but I simply don't see the issue. Most people would just say, get an internet connection and connect your Xbox to get the free DLC. Well, now I say, get a hard drive.

Anyway, consider this my last post. This is my opinion, and I guess this will be a never-ending discussion if we keep going. So bye.

You pulled that STRAIGHT out of your ass.

To others bashing the Arcade: What's wrong with you? It was M$s means of getting their consoles to as many people as possible for as cheap as possible, yet it's a "tard pack" now? And these are the same people who in a recent thread sarcastically replied "Damn you Microsoft and your low low prices!"

The point is: If you want to play Forza 3 in full, for the $60 you spent on it, you have to spend extra money, and that's BS. This second disc doesn't act like DLC. That second disc is the REMAINDER of the content of the game, not EXTRA. This shows what ever person knew from the beginning: the 360 disc has limitations on games. Not to bring in a Blu ray argument, but it was you people saying BR was pointless, but at the same time failed to realize that games get bigger as a generation goes on. It was just proved here, and even with iD Software working on Rage. In the case of Forza 3, the game was too big to fit on one disc, so the put the rest of the cars and tracks on disc 2. If you don't have an HDD, you don't get to play Forza 3. You get to play Forza 2.7

Hey......THAT WAS ME!!!!

And when did I ever say that the arcade was a "tard pack"? Please if your going to prove a point dont sully my name by putting words in my mouth.



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BMaker11 on 04 June 2009
Vaza said:
I could care less because I have a hard drive but I don't understand why they can't put the engine on both discs, and have the tracks on the 2nd disc playable by changing discs as people were expecting. Lost Odyssey and other RPGs had to put up with holding the whole engine plus the extra areas, characters, voice acting, CGI movies and other data specific to that section of the game.

If they really can't do this, they I'm happy, because it must mean that there is 18GB of heavily compressed cars and tracks in the game for me with a hard drive to play with. But it sucks for the Arcade owners. I swear Microsoft were selling 20GB HD's for like $20 before, I don't see why that deal can't happen again, to help lessen the problem.

Because Lost Odyssey and other RPGs are linear games. There's no backtracking, so once you beat disc one, it's basically useless afterwards. That doesn't apply here



brythoma on 04 June 2009

i still dont understand what you guys are complaining about. Would you rather Turn-10 cut out content from the game as to fit it all on a single disc? The game is still functional and has the majority of the cars and tracks on one disc (which the developer even said was by itself much more than any current gen racer currently out there).

the whole getting everything you paid for argument is weak. that same argument could apply to having force feedback compatibility featured in a game but not having a controller that utilized it (sixaxis)- didnt you pay for that feature?

either way, im sure the people that bought the arcades would have wished they were forced to pay an extra $100-200 for extra optical storage space rather than pay $20-50 for a hard drive....




heruamon on 04 June 2009
Vaza said:
I could care less because I have a hard drive but I don't understand why they can't put the engine on both discs, and have the tracks on the 2nd disc playable by changing discs as people were expecting. Lost Odyssey and other RPGs had to put up with holding the whole engine plus the extra areas, characters, voice acting, CGI movies and other data specific to that section of the game.

If they really can't do this, they I'm happy, because it must mean that there is 18GB of heavily compressed cars and tracks in the game for me with a hard drive to play with. But it sucks for the Arcade owners. I swear Microsoft were selling 20GB HD's for like $20 before, I don't see why that deal can't happen again, to help lessen the problem.

That's why I said...M$ sells Forza for $89.99 with a 20GB drive for those who only have arcade.  If you don't want to pay extra, to hell with you...I don't see Wii owners crying about having to cough up $99 for the Wii Board.  If you don't have a HDD, it is the person's fault, not M$, as there was ample opportunity to get it last year!



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