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mibuokami on 02 June 2009
ZenfoldorVGI said:
psrock said:
Stats87 said:
psrock said:
Well It's just Sony Fanboys calling it a spin off, it looks like a regular MGS to me. And i am so excited 360 fans get to taste one of the best franchise in gaming.

Well it isn't called MGS5: The Rise of Raiden is it?

Also, how does it look like a regular MGS when there is no gameplay footage?

Not that we know of, This game probably just started development.

Exactly, how do we know it is NOT like Verses XIII? Why is it "just a spinoff".

I think some people are pulling a "spin"off alright.

(I'm agreeing with you, psrock)

From interview with Kojima from Fumitsu, this game will be told within the MGS timeline cannon and Kojima himself consider it the 'next' MGS as far as series continuity is concern (assuming he was talking about the same game which is likely), spinoff is just a phrase to coin the fact that this is not called MGS5, there is certainly a hint of negativety going on here but I don't think it goes that far, even some of the industry news is calling it a spinoff.

As far as I'm concern however, this is the next MGS, just like CoDWaw was the next CoD despite having no number attached to it.




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Torillian on 02 June 2009
ZenfoldorVGI said:
Stats87 said:
ZenfoldorVGI said:
psrock said:
Stats87 said:
psrock said:
Well It's just Sony Fanboys calling it a spin off, it looks like a regular MGS to me. And i am so excited 360 fans get to taste one of the best franchise in gaming.

Well it isn't called MGS5: The Rise of Raiden is it?

Also, how does it look like a regular MGS when there is no gameplay footage?

Not that we know of, This game probably just started development.

Exactly, how do we know it is NOT like Verses XIII? Why is it "just a spinoff".

I think some people are pulling a "spin"off alright.

(I'm agreeing with you, psrock)

Rising cannot be like Verses, it's not like Noctis is a supporting character in FFXIII.

There is no feasible way that MGS:Rising can be to MGS4 what Versus is FFXIII.

Rising could be better than MGS4, for all you know. Degrading it before you know anything about it can only be due to alterior motives, no matter what the subject.

Raiden was the main character in MGS2.

By not being a main series MGS and using a character from the main series MGS's it is a spin off title by the definition.  Take a negative connotation from that if you will, but it is an accurate description.



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Stats87 on 02 June 2009
ZenfoldorVGI said:
Stats87 said:
ZenfoldorVGI said:
psrock said:
 

Rising cannot be like Verses, it's not like Noctis is a supporting character in FFXIII.

There is no feasible way that MGS:Rising can be to MGS4 what Versus is FFXIII.

Rising could be better than MGS4, for all you know. Degrading it before you know anything about it can only be due to alterior motives, no matter what the subject.

Raiden was the main character in MGS2.

How am I degrading it? Just because it's a spin-off doesn't mean it's bad or somehow less worthy. I watched the Buffy TV Show but I liked it's spin-off Angel more, whether it is a spin-off or not is irrelevent.

In fact, in the lead up to E3, I was hoping that the announced game would be a Raiden spin-off.

You're right he was one of the co-main characters in MGS2 and if they switch the name the MGS5: Rising, I'll call it a sequel.

EDIT: I'll elaborate further, if Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater was just called MGS: Snake Eater, I would have also considered it a spin-off.



McClaren on 02 June 2009
ZenfoldorVGI said:

So, I was rewatching the Xbox E3 Kojima part, and they mention that they will bring the MGS franchise to the Xbox 360. The "franchise" seems to mean more than one game, but it could just be a generalized term, meaning nothing.

The only reason I ask is because after the show, Adam Sessler said(and I paraphrase), "I thought MS might just get MGS4, but the whole franchise, that's huge" or something along those lines.

That confused me. Is Kojima bringing the "from now on" entire MGS franchise to the 360 as Sessler seemed to think, or is it just this one game?

One thing that has confused me about this issue is that a lot of people love MGS more than any other franchise, but now, since the game is on the 360, it is just a spinoff. I think that if the game had been announced during the Sony presser, it would be much more highly touted. Is this an example of a double standard, because the game is on the 360? I mean, we don't even know anything about the game yet, but it is being marginalized. Is it because it is on the 360?

Do we still consider MGS a Sony franchise, or is it completely up for grabs now?


I also thought it was a little wierd the way Adam Sessler said that. I think they are just getting this game at the moment and probably future titles.

Not past titles.



s1lverFoX on 02 June 2009
mibuokami said:
ZenfoldorVGI said:
psrock said:
Stats87 said:
psrock said:
Well It's just Sony Fanboys calling it a spin off, it looks like a regular MGS to me. And i am so excited 360 fans get to taste one of the best franchise in gaming.

Well it isn't called MGS5: The Rise of Raiden is it?

Also, how does it look like a regular MGS when there is no gameplay footage?

Not that we know of, This game probably just started development.

Exactly, how do we know it is NOT like Verses XIII? Why is it "just a spinoff".

I think some people are pulling a "spin"off alright.

(I'm agreeing with you, psrock)

From interview with Kojima from Fumitsu, this game will be told within the MGS timeline cannon and Kojima himself consider it the 'next' MGS as far as series continuity is concern (assuming he was talking about the same game which is likely), spinoff is just a phrase to coin the fact that this is not called MGS5, there is certainly a hint of negativety going on here but I don't think it goes that far, even some of the industry news is calling it a spinoff.

As far as I'm concern however, this is the next MGS, just like CoDWaw was the next CoD despite having no number attached to it.

Only problem with your theory is CoD:WaW wasn't made by the geniouses who made Call of Duty a hit, where as MGS is still being made by Kojima so im sure he will give us high quality product not just a decent one like we recieved CoD:WaW.



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mibuokami on 02 June 2009
s1lverFoX said:
mibuokami said:
ZenfoldorVGI said:
psrock said:
Stats87 said:
psrock said:
Well It's just Sony Fanboys calling it a spin off, it looks like a regular MGS to me. And i am so excited 360 fans get to taste one of the best franchise in gaming.

Well it isn't called MGS5: The Rise of Raiden is it?

Also, how does it look like a regular MGS when there is no gameplay footage?

Not that we know of, This game probably just started development.

Exactly, how do we know it is NOT like Verses XIII? Why is it "just a spinoff".

I think some people are pulling a "spin"off alright.

(I'm agreeing with you, psrock)

From interview with Kojima from Fumitsu, this game will be told within the MGS timeline cannon and Kojima himself consider it the 'next' MGS as far as series continuity is concern (assuming he was talking about the same game which is likely), spinoff is just a phrase to coin the fact that this is not called MGS5, there is certainly a hint of negativety going on here but I don't think it goes that far, even some of the industry news is calling it a spinoff.

As far as I'm concern however, this is the next MGS, just like CoDWaw was the next CoD despite having no number attached to it.

Only problem with your theory is CoD:WaW wasn't made by the geniouses who made Call of Duty a hit, where as MGS is still being made by Kojima so im sure he will give us high quality product not just a decent one like we recieved CoD:WaW.

What does the quality of the game have anything to do with it? I'm stating that I consider this the next MGS whether it has the number 5 attached to it or not, just like I consider WaW the next CoD, I'm supporting the OP by stating that even if its technically a 'spinoff' by definition its still the next iteration of a very popular series and should be treated as such.




Stats87 on 02 June 2009
mibuokami said:
 

What does the quality of the game have anything to do with it? I'm stating that I consider this the next MGS whether it has the number 5 attached to it or not, just like I consider WaW the next CoD, I'm supporting the OP by stating that even if its technically a 'spinoff' by definition its still the next iteration of a very popular series and should be treated as such.

I agree it is the next entry in the series, spin-off or not.

I also use the example of the Dragonlance series, which has a wide-range of books, including the main series, spin-offs, supplementaries and just books that take place in the same world but have nothing to do with the main series.

There are some spin-offs that even though they may take place in a time period ahead or before one of the main series books, they are meant to read at a certain spot in the series to maximize each books value and relevance in the storyline. As reading a spin-off too early or too late could ruin the experience of said book or another in that story.

Again to elaborate with Snake Eater. If they removed the 3 from the title, (changing my classification of it to a spin-off) it would not change the fact it is meant to be played after MGS2 and is next in the series.



SWA_JM_Obi-Wan on 02 June 2009

"Raiden was the main character in MGS2."

Which is why most Sony/MGS fans are poopooing this game already. Most hardcore MGS fans hated Raiden. AN MGS game without Solid Snake Just isn't MGS. It's like a Batman Game/Movie without Batman. It might be an ok game, it might say MGS, but in the end it just isn't the same. I'm not trying to knock MS on this. I am just stateing this as an MGS fan. I own every MGS game, and love them all, but this game is a might buy,., and that should say something/ Also I seriously doubt they will allocate the resources to bring the "Entire franchise" to a Second place console. I would expect every MGS game from here on out this gen, and then reassess next gen.



mibuokami on 02 June 2009
ZenfoldorVGI said:
Stats87 said:
ZenfoldorVGI said:
Also, why is this game a spinoff but FF Verses XIII isn't? We don't know anything about this game. It could be a full and important non-spinoff, non main series entry, like Verses XIII, couldn't it?

I personally don't consider Versus a spin-off because it is its own game and its own story, having nothing to do with FFXIII. From what I understand, Nomura and Kitase both had their own vision of FFXIII, so this was the way for them both to materialize.

Rising is using an already established character to fill in the gaps of an already established story.

So, FF:CC meets all your criteria for being a "non-spinoff" It has its own story, and it is a different vision of Final Fantasy. I think the real reason is the game is a PS3 exclusive. I believe that if the game was a 360 exclusive, or a multiplat, it would be much more often referred to as a spinoff.

Anyway, that is just my opinion.

Also, wher did you get all that info about the new MGS game? What is the gaps it fills in? What is the story about?

Final Fantasy is in a very unique circumstance because each numbered iteration is never a sequal to the previous, the only way to distinguished the difference between one game and the next being a spinoff or not is by it's attached number or lack thereoff, this is why direct sequal to a non-spinoff such as X-2, Core Crises or Dirge of Cerebus are lumped together with games like CC and Tactic and  are all considered spinoff (or not). Essentially this is more up to the opinion of the individual than anything.

There are few other examples of this type of serialisation.

 

 




dcIKeeL on 02 June 2009
ZenfoldorVGI said:

So, I was rewatching the Xbox E3 Kojima part, and they mention that they will bring the MGS franchise to the Xbox 360. The "franchise" seems to mean more than one game, but it could just be a generalized term, meaning nothing.

The only reason I ask is because after the show, Adam Sessler said(and I paraphrase), "I thought MS might just get MGS4, but the whole franchise, that's huge" or something along those lines.

That confused me. Is Kojima bringing the "from now on" entire MGS franchise to the 360 as Sessler seemed to think, or is it just this one game?

One thing that has confused me about this issue is that a lot of people love MGS more than any other franchise, but now, since the game is on the 360, it is just a spinoff. I think that if the game had been announced during the Sony presser, it would be much more highly touted. Is this an example of a double standard, because the game is on the 360? I mean, we don't even know anything about the game yet, but it is being marginalized. Is it because it is on the 360?

Do we still consider MGS a Sony franchise, or is it completely up for grabs now?


Sesslers' assertion was correct, it's the whole franchise.

First of all, it's exactly what Kojima said: "I'm excited to bring the MGS franchise to the 360".

Secondly but more importantly what the microsoft official said: "What's the one game every 360 user has wanted to play..........?" The words he used and his tone suggest that from now on, it's multiplat.

Also, I seriously doubt this is a spin off. It's MGS 5, except it wont be called 5 anymore since its a new branch of the franchise. Snakes' story is over as Kojima has been exclaiming since MGS4. It would make sense for Raiden to take the reigns as he is the next most fleshed out character in the series. He is also the next most popular.

-Edit-

Lastly, no, I don't believe mgs4 or any other previous iteration of the series is coming to the 360. From here on out, it's multiplat.