THQ != hardcore games

Umm...yes.

The fact that you are trying to refute this is laughable.  There is no denying that those games were considered by many to be the "casual" games of last generation.

Last Gen:

Halo = Casual
Madden = Casual
Mario Kart = Casual
Guitar Hero = Core
SSB = Casual
Pokemon = Casual
Super Mario (Sunshine) = Core
Okami (PS2) = Core
CoD = Casual

Now... Due to the expansion of the casual market:

Halo = Mainstream
Madden = Casual
Mario Kart = Mainstream
Guitar Hero = Casual
SSB = Mainstream
Pokemon = Core
Super Mario (Galaxy) = Mainstream
Okami (Wii) = Core
CoD = Mainstream

I can further categorize new IP's in this method:

Gears of War = Mainstream
MadWorld = Core
Wii(insert Here) = Casual
No More Heroes = Core
Rock Band = Casual
Brain Age = Casual
UFC = Casual


As you can see, none of the truly "Core" games sell extremely well this generation... and reutrning games from last generation often change categories of "coreness"

Halo may be easy to pick up for experienced shooter fans, but not for casuals. If Halo was easy to pick up and play, then all console shooters are. Putting novice Halo players in a gaming arena with experienced Halo players is horrible to watch, because of all the destruction.

Street fighter 2 was a casual fighter, but by Street Fighter Alpha and Third Strike, Street Fighter was no longer aimed at the casuals. The controls demanded a moderate or higher understanding of fighters.

Take Blaz Blue for instance. That game is made for hardcore fighter fans, who grew up with Street Fighter, Guilty Gear and King of Fighters. Just because a game is big, it doesn't mean that it is a pick up and play game. It just means that it is a huge game with an interesting scheme, marketable characters and is an overall sellable product.

"Putting novice Halo players in a gaming arena with experienced Halo players is horrible to watch"

Comparing a very specific match setup to the entire game is a horrible analogy.

I still don't understand the Monopoly comparison. While that might be true, that Wii owners don't play their games for hours and hours like the typical HD console owner does, why does that matter? The Wii has a higher attach rate for SW than the PS3. I thought publishers were only concerned with how many units were sold, not whether the consumers actually spent tons of time playing the games.

If game "X" sells a million copies, but NO ONE plays the game they just bought, big deal. I think the charts that show hours played per console are meaningless. You can spend $50 on a Wii game that you play 1 hour per week, or $50 on a HD game that you play 10 hours per day. Either way, the publisher gets the same amount of money. argh...

So tired of these 'third parties' saying the Wii doesn't allow their games to sell because only 'grannies and soccer moms' buy 'casual' games on the system. And I'd like to point out, it's only companies like THQ who made lackluster games for the system and then they didn't sell well that are whining about it.

Now third parties are actually making a lot of good games for the Wii, and still idiots like this are whining, its just dumb.

One of the reasons of lack of quality hardcore games on the wii - people like him REFUSE to make good games so they start making 0 h core games

Well so what if Third Party developers make a good effort now?

By starving the Wii of any legitimate support for going on three years, you've cemented the idea in gamers heads that the Wii is a joke no matter what games it gets. Now when the Wii gets a good games, instead of people wanting to play that game on the Wii they just whine about how its not on the HD consoles.

To boot, piracy is at a fever pitch on the Wii now so anymore good luck geting hardcore budget bin efforts to sell more than 100k.

Good work developers, I know you thought you weren't burning any bridges by keeping just a shed of shovelware coming the Wii's way, but you've taken the one console this generation that could have viably acted as a lifeline for this harsh transition from PS2 to HD level gaming but no, you went it cold turkey and let the Wii atrophy to the point of practically no longer being a viable option. Oh, but its not your fault, we can't blame the sheep right, you were just grazing where ever the field was green; who'da thunk that a generation built on following the leader and copying every casual game concept Nintendo had and every original idea a handful of unique Western developers came up with would backfire on you. Hey remember when you made new and original games?

Go to a Gamestop and wait there for 15 minutes during the day. There is an extremely high chance you'll see someone come in there for a non-hardcore game. It will most likely be Wii Fit.