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vlad321 said:
Xen said:
shio said:
The problem: you either don't take good care of your computer, or you are using Vista.

My PC only crashes once every 6 months too. PC gaming is getting so much easier, hell, in someways even easier than consoles.

Why do you think there are now over 300 millions PC gamers?

Everyone has a PC and piracy is extremely easy?

PC sucks, period. It gets one good exclusive in 2 years, there is no reason to own a gaming PC.


Actually HD consoles are the biggest waste of money I´ve seen. They half-ass PC features and as a result get half-ass games which aren´t as good as games that came out on the PC 5 years ago or more. Talk about pathetic.

LMAO, that is one of the funniest things ever!!!! completly the opposite for me hence why I left PC gaming where it belongs (in the past) although I do "download" a few games every so often seeing as noone pays for pc games these days.....



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twesterm said:
ssj12 said:
Khuutra said:
twesterm said:
Zizzla_Rachet said:
shio said:
The problem: you either don't take good care of your computer, or you are using Vista.

My PC only crashes once every 6 months too. PC gaming is getting so much easier, hell, in someways even easier than consoles.

Why do you think there are now over 300 millions PC gamers?

MMO Players count as gamers?

Yes, but the problem here is he's counting Peggle players as gamers.

Try Spider Solitaire, with those numbers.

No, I forget the web MMO 's name but it has over 200m players.

But can you really add the 200m random MMO players, 70m WoW players, and 30m other players to get 300m?  I would be willing to bet there's quite a bit of overlap there.

No, but you can include the all the FPS, RTS, and casual gamers to the MMO players make over 300. Even if you somehow remove the overlaps.



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Blah another one of these threads...

I'll just go back to enjoying playing on both consoles and my PC. In fact, I plan on reformatting my PC and then redownloading my games on Steam (TF2 specifically for the new update) and I'll probably be playing on my PS3 while this is happening.

*gasp*



twesterm said:

I use to be a big PC gamer but I finally realized consoles were just much easier too.

Yes, Shio, I'm sure I don't scrub my computer with a cloth every day and give it a good blasting of air every time I sit down, but I do take decent care of my machines and PC gaming is still a hassle.

With consoles, the games just work when I pop in the disk and I like that. As an added bonus I get to play games on my comfy couch with a controller on my big TV as opposed to in my crapy office chair on my smallish monitor with a keyboard and mouse (I'm a left so setting up the keyboard is a hassle every time). It's also just an initial investment vs. initial investment plus upkeep over the years followed by another initial investment when it's about time to get a new console anyways.

I could have my PC in my living but then I would have the wife breathing down my neck about their being a computer in the living room or I would either have to hook it all up to play games and then unhook it all again when I'm done which is just unacceptable.

I get that some people love PC with all their heart and that's cool but PC gaming has long been dead to me.

To me, there are just no advantages what-so-ever to PC gaming.

Strike that, I forgot about modding and making my own maps, that's about the only one-up PC games have for me.  Other than that, it's dead to me.


You forgot cheaper games, free extra content and not having to pay to play online. Without doubt consoles are simpler but a simple machine doesn't allow you complete control of your system.

I only started PC gaming properly in '06 (buying a GPU instead of hoping it works) and have been with Steam ever since. Maybe times were much harder in the old days but I've found everything extremely straight forward, including setting it up to work with my HDTV so I can play from the infamous "couch" with wireless mouse, keyboard, 360 pad.



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Pyro as Bill said:
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Yeh cos consoles don't crash or have bugs or need patches or RROD..........oh wait.


I can't see how people could seriously compare the level of bugs and patches on console games to PC ones.  The fact is that the PC platform is an open one which means that anyone can release anything regardless of its quality.  I've bought PC games that literally didn't work from the get-go or had an amount of bugs that made finishing them a chore or impossible.  I remember buying a game called Dungeon Lords because I was a fan of the designer and feeling like I was ripped off because the game was basically in an early beta stage.  Take a look at its Wikipedia page if you want to see what kind of game some companies release.  It's the first game I ever threw in the garbage rather than giving it away for free.

That's just an example of a game that actually worked.  I can list others that didn't work at all with one graphics card or another that I had over the years that made PC gaming truly guesswork and annoying at times.  The worst part is that for some reason I was continually fooled when I bought games and always expected them to work with no problems.  This was especially the case when I had a very common videocard, an ATI 9800pro, and couldn't imagine any company not making sure it ran with that card which was about as standard a gaming graphics card as you could get at the time.  Also this wasn't just with my own computer, I used to have to get them to work on other computers as well (uncles, friends, etc).

Don't get me wrong, when PC games work they can be amazing.  I think about 8 of my top 10 favorite games of all time are on PC.  What annoys me though is when those praising PC games and having an open platform refuse to acknowledge that it also has some weaknesses.



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Sound like it was a PITA in the old days. Can't say I've experienced anything like that.

Yes I can seriously compare bugs on PC/console but only from personal experience. I watch my buddy try to play TF2 on the 360 every couple weeks, I watched him waste £40 on Supreme Commander and I hear it's still unplayable.



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Pyro as Bill said:
twesterm said:

I use to be a big PC gamer but I finally realized consoles were just much easier too.

Yes, Shio, I'm sure I don't scrub my computer with a cloth every day and give it a good blasting of air every time I sit down, but I do take decent care of my machines and PC gaming is still a hassle.

With consoles, the games just work when I pop in the disk and I like that. As an added bonus I get to play games on my comfy couch with a controller on my big TV as opposed to in my crapy office chair on my smallish monitor with a keyboard and mouse (I'm a left so setting up the keyboard is a hassle every time). It's also just an initial investment vs. initial investment plus upkeep over the years followed by another initial investment when it's about time to get a new console anyways.

I could have my PC in my living but then I would have the wife breathing down my neck about their being a computer in the living room or I would either have to hook it all up to play games and then unhook it all again when I'm done which is just unacceptable.

I get that some people love PC with all their heart and that's cool but PC gaming has long been dead to me.

To me, there are just no advantages what-so-ever to PC gaming.

Strike that, I forgot about modding and making my own maps, that's about the only one-up PC games have for me.  Other than that, it's dead to me.


You forgot cheaper games, free extra content and not having to pay to play online. Without doubt consoles are simpler but a simple machine doesn't allow you complete control of your system.

I only started PC gaming properly in '06 (buying a GPU instead of hoping it works) and have been with Steam ever since. Maybe times were much harder in the old days but I've found everything extremely straight forward, including setting it up to work with my HDTV so I can play from the infamous "couch" with wireless mouse, keyboard, 360 pad.

I'll give you cheaper games, but you don't have to pay for Live and PSN/Wii are both free and do I really need complete control to play Gears, inFamous, Uncharted, LBP, Mario Kart, or most of the other console games?  No, I just need to pop in the disk and go.  I don't have to fiddle with drive space, shortcuts, resolution settings, graphical settings, and everything else.

And again, it may work for the college guy/bachalor/12 year old to have a giant PC in his living room, but for most other people it doesn't really fly.

vlad321 said:
Xen said:
shio said:
The problem: you either don't take good care of your computer, or you are using Vista.

My PC only crashes once every 6 months too. PC gaming is getting so much easier, hell, in someways even easier than consoles.

Why do you think there are now over 300 millions PC gamers?

Everyone has a PC and piracy is extremely easy?

PC sucks, period. It gets one good exclusive in 2 years, there is no reason to own a gaming PC.


Actually HD consoles are the biggest waste of money I´ve seen. They half-ass PC features and as a result get half-ass games which aren´t as good as games that came out on the PC 5 years ago or more. Talk about pathetic.

Actually, PC games are the half assed ones.  In order to release a game on a console you have to go through a lengthy and in depth dertification process while there is absolutely no process for the PC.  



Pyro as Bill said:
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Sound like it was a PITA in the old days. Can't say I've experienced anything like that.

Yes I can seriously compare bugs on PC/console but only from personal experience. I watch my buddy try to play TF2 on the 360 every couple weeks, I watched him waste £40 on Supreme Commander and I hear it's still unplayable.


The old days?  One of the last PC games I bought was Neverwinter Nights 2: Mask of the Betrayer in October 2007.  I expected to have no problems with it because Neverwinter Nights 2 gave me very few problems.  Imagine my surprise when the first time I tried to play it I couldn't because the text wasn't showing up in any of the character dialog boxes.  I went to the game's forums only to find it was a well known bug but they had no patch for it at the time.  How is it possible to have a game breaking bug that shows up within the first few seconds of the game that a significant amount of people experienced?

Also you can point out one or two 360 games but at the end of the day it's still nothing compared to the PC side of gaming.  Take Bioshock and Call of Duty 4 for example, if you go to their respective forums or simply use Google you'll see that some people had problems with the PC versions of those games.  In fact almost every PC game I type in I can find threads where people had problems with them which is not the case for the majority of 360 games.  To put things into perspective I can remember when there was a huge uproar over the 360 version of Bully and Rockstar taking a lot of heat over it yet it's the same kind of situation can be found for many PC games.



twesterm said:

I'll give you cheaper games (and free extra content), but you don't have to pay for Live (no, you don't have to) and PSN/Wii are both free and do I really need complete control to play Gears, inFamous, Uncharted, LBP, Mario Kart, or most of the other console games? (no desire to change button layout? choose your online mathes on MK? add some AA? choice eh, who needs it really) No, I just need to pop in the disk and go. I don't have to fiddle with drive space (fiddle? why do consoles have 20GB, 40GB SKUs?), shortcuts, resolution settings (i've had more trouble with PS3/360 rez than PC), graphical settings (that's the control I was talking about, you don't have to change them), and everything else (like overpriced wireless adaptors, overpriced hard drives, 1m short cables, subscriptions).

And again, it may work for the college guy/bachalor/12 year old to have a giant PC in his living room, but for most other people it doesn't really fly. (takes up less room than 360+PS3 and isn't anywhere near as ugly those 2, which sane woman allows a grill (PS3) under the TV, 5 Wiis would be nicer to look at)

 



Nov 2016 - NES outsells PS1 (JP)

Don't Play Stationary 4 ever. Switch!

twesterm said:

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I'll give you cheaper games, but you don't have to pay for Live and PSN/Wii are both free and do I really need complete control to play Gears, inFamous, Uncharted, LBP, Mario Kart, or most of the other console games?  No, I just need to pop in the disk and go.  I don't have to fiddle with drive space, shortcuts, resolution settings, graphical settings, and everything else.

And again, it may work for the college guy/bachalor/12 year old to have a giant PC in his living room, but for most other people it doesn't really fly.

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OK, we understand you married a marines/parachooters/green berets/navy seals/intruders/other special corps drill sarge that doesn't want to see your PC around and confines you into a closet when you use it, but no chance we'll pity you, we care too much for your remaining dignity and male pride!  



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