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MaxwellGT2000 on 18 May 2009

Wow... this is some of the worst logic I've seen in a long time.

The Wii sold the most third party software last year despite the lack of major releases like MGS4 or GTA4.

The other thing I saw was this from munkeh "Anyway, with double the user base, the Wii should be selling far more" so you're saying sub-par third party offerings should sell more just because of install base? These games that don't have the time and advertisements put into it like many third party games on PS3 and 360...

It's just common sense that if you put out an alright product you'll get alright results. The only games to be quite good that sold pretty pathetically have all been niche and sold as terrible last gen as it did this generation.



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mjc2021 on 18 May 2009
Soriku said:
3rd parties ignore the Wii?

-MH3
-Samurai Warriors 3
-DQ X
-FFCC: TCB
-Conduit
-Overlord
-TvC coming to NA
-Arc Rise Fantasia
-Little King's Story
-Bethsda new game
-Tales of Graces
-Silent Hill
-Kizuna
-Contra Rebirth
-Sakura Wars

etc.

Yeah...hardly. Not all are big games but that doesn't matter. The top 10 is filled with old games. New announcements have made much difference. And if you look at the top 10 for the HD consoles it's mainly sports and shooters and music games which isn't even all that better compared to the Wii's top 10. Instead of taking the top 10, take the total number of third party SW for each consoles. And then again the Wii would probably appear pretty impressive considering the lack of big third party titles released on it.

Unfortunately most of those games are small potatoes. Its not that all 3rd party companies ignore the Wii, just the ones we care about.

And seriously, Contra Rebirth? That's like me boasting about XBLA games. Although I'm stoked about MvC2. That alone is bigger than any game on that list you made.



MaxwellGT2000 on 18 May 2009
mjc2021 said:
Soriku said:
3rd parties ignore the Wii?

-MH3
-Samurai Warriors 3
-DQ X
-FFCC: TCB
-Conduit
-Overlord
-TvC coming to NA
-Arc Rise Fantasia
-Little King's Story
-Bethsda new game
-Tales of Graces
-Silent Hill
-Kizuna
-Contra Rebirth
-Sakura Wars

etc.

Yeah...hardly. Not all are big games but that doesn't matter. The top 10 is filled with old games. New announcements have made much difference. And if you look at the top 10 for the HD consoles it's mainly sports and shooters and music games which isn't even all that better compared to the Wii's top 10. Instead of taking the top 10, take the total number of third party SW for each consoles. And then again the Wii would probably appear pretty impressive considering the lack of big third party titles released on it.

 

Unfortunately most of those games are small potatoes. Its not that all 3rd party companies ignore the Wii, just the ones we care about.

And seriously, Contra Rebirth? That's like me boasting about XBLA games. Although I'm stoked about MvC2. That alone is bigger than any game on that list you made.

 

LMAO MvC2 sold poorly when it first came out, it'll thankfully do better on PSN and XBLA cause of digital distribution, and for a counter to MvC2 the next installment to the vs Capcom series is exclusive to the Wii...

As for what Soriku listed DQX is one of the biggest RPG franchises ever, if that isn't major then I don't know what is. 

And since when has Silent Hill been small potatoes... your logic basically seems like, if it isn't advertised as the second coming of gaming it's small potatoes but the thing is developers are doing that on the HD consoles just so they can get amazing sales to break even cause of how much money they're spending...



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mjc2021 on 18 May 2009
MaxwellGT2000 said:
mjc2021 said:
Soriku said:
3rd parties ignore the Wii?

-MH3
-Samurai Warriors 3
-DQ X
-FFCC: TCB
-Conduit
-Overlord
-TvC coming to NA
-Arc Rise Fantasia
-Little King's Story
-Bethsda new game
-Tales of Graces
-Silent Hill
-Kizuna
-Contra Rebirth
-Sakura Wars

etc.

Yeah...hardly. Not all are big games but that doesn't matter. The top 10 is filled with old games. New announcements have made much difference. And if you look at the top 10 for the HD consoles it's mainly sports and shooters and music games which isn't even all that better compared to the Wii's top 10. Instead of taking the top 10, take the total number of third party SW for each consoles. And then again the Wii would probably appear pretty impressive considering the lack of big third party titles released on it.

 

Unfortunately most of those games are small potatoes. Its not that all 3rd party companies ignore the Wii, just the ones we care about.

And seriously, Contra Rebirth? That's like me boasting about XBLA games. Although I'm stoked about MvC2. That alone is bigger than any game on that list you made.

 

LMAO MvC2 sold poorly when it first came out, it'll thankfully do better on PSN and XBLA cause of digital distribution, and for a counter to MvC2 the next installment to the vs Capcom series is exclusive to the Wii...

As for what Soriku listed DQX is one of the biggest RPG franchises ever, if that isn't major then I don't know what is. 

And since when has Silent Hill been small potatoes... your logic basically seems like, if it isn't advertised as the second coming of gaming it's small potatoes but the thing is developers are doing that on the HD consoles just so they can get amazing sales to break even cause of how much money they're spending...


From my understanding MvC2 had a very limited release on every console. The Dreamcast version was the most common. But that was almost 10 years ago and everyone wanted 3D games. There has been a resurgence in retro gaming since then. That anime vs capcom game for the Wii interest me and he didn't even mention it.

The last two Silent Hill games have had horrible sales. I'd be surprised if this next release changes anything.



mjc2021 on 18 May 2009
Soriku said:
mjc2021 said:
Soriku said:
3rd parties ignore the Wii?

-MH3
-Samurai Warriors 3
-DQ X
-FFCC: TCB
-Conduit
-Overlord
-TvC coming to NA
-Arc Rise Fantasia
-Little King's Story
-Bethsda new game
-Tales of Graces
-Silent Hill
-Kizuna
-Contra Rebirth
-Sakura Wars

etc.

Yeah...hardly. Not all are big games but that doesn't matter. The top 10 is filled with old games. New announcements have made much difference. And if you look at the top 10 for the HD consoles it's mainly sports and shooters and music games which isn't even all that better compared to the Wii's top 10. Instead of taking the top 10, take the total number of third party SW for each consoles. And then again the Wii would probably appear pretty impressive considering the lack of big third party titles released on it.

 

Unfortunately most of those games are small potatoes. Its not that all 3rd party companies ignore the Wii, just the ones we care about.

And seriously, Contra Rebirth? That's like me boasting about XBLA games. Although I'm stoked about MvC2. That alone is bigger than any game on that list you made.

 

Which ones do we care about aren't making some sort of good Wii game? I can only think of Rockstar (which can still happen considering GTA: CW is selling pretty decently and will easily top 2 mil) and Valve (who are mainly PC devs anyway). I forgot Blizzard is most likely making a Wii game as well. Otherwise I've listed multiple companies worth caring for.

-Square Enix
-Konami
-Namco
-Codemasters
-Marvelous
-Bethesda
-Capcom
-NIS
-HVS

And if you want to add Blizzard.

Don't know what you're trying to get at.

Edit: EA is making a good effort as well.


Yeah, all those companies are putting their AAA material on the Wii.

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mjc2021 on 18 May 2009
Soriku said:
I did mention the "anime vs capcom" game...I said "-TvC coming to NA"

I'm sorry, I didn't realize you actually had a good game on that list. I kid!

Pinab on 18 May 2009
fkusumot said:
mjc2021 said:
BengaBenga said:
Wii sold more 3rd party software than 360 and PS3 (not combined) in 2008. Biasing your list by only using the top 10's, which include mega games like GTA, Metal Gear Solid and Call of Duty 4, obviously won't tell you anything about 3rd party sales, just about the distribution of the big 3rd party games over the platforms.

 

Well Pinab posted this:
Total by 3rd party:
Wii: ~ 140M
X360: ~ 180M
Ps3: ~ 100M

I presume the numbers are somewhat accurate but I don't really know. Also the Wii has more bargain bin prices and a much larger userbase. When it comes to 1st party sales though the Wii definitely dominates. Not quite as much when you exclude Wii Sports and Wii Play but still the highest.

 

I'll post this then:

"NPD data has made clear that, in the calendar year of 2008, Wii was the hardware on which the biggest number of third party software were sold in the U.S."

There's a fair difference here.

Benga is talking about 2008 Worldwide

MJC replied with lifetime worldwide.

You're giving proof of 2008 Americas.

Neither one of you really gave any proof for/against whether Wii sold the most in 2008. Now, for me to figure out how much first party was sold in 2008 is a fair bit more difficult than to figure the lifetime. So, I'll just expect the same 1st/3rd party ratios as in the LT. That is, Wii - 50%. Ps3 - 25%, X360 - 20%

So, it is thus.

Wii - 170.1M total * 0.5 = 85M

X360 - 112M total * 0.8 = 90M

Ps3 - 80M total * 0.75 = 60M

 

So, by VGChartz numbers (and a rough estimate by yours truly), Wii60 is virtually tied, and they're 50% higher than the Ps3.

 



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Soundwave on 18 May 2009


The Wii really doesn't need third party content to drive sales, but they do need it to help fill out the library.

There is some good third party stuff coming though ... The Conduit, Little King Story, Monster Hunter 3, Resident Evil: Dark Side Chronicles, Murumasa: Demon Blade, Boom Blox Party, Red Steel 2, Spyborgs, Ghostbusters, Grand Slam Tennis, Tiger Woods 10, Rabbids platformer, Final Fantasy: Crystal Bearers, Tales of Graces, etc. all look decent.

Nintendo hasn't had that many good looking 3rd party games coming out in a small period of time since the SNES days really.

Wii Ware is getting some cool stuff like that Soldier RTS game, Final Fantasy IV: The After, and that new Contra.

I expect the Wii to be more like the DS in terms of third party support/quality. Which is fine with me. I think Square-Enix could do more to support the Wii, they're the one company (along with Capcom) that I think if they did more on the platform they would make a lot of money.

Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy remakes, Kingdom Hearts: Birth By Sleep, Final Fantasy Dissidia, etc. would do well on the Wii. Third parties just gotta figure out what works and what doesn't and some of them are getting better at it. 



HappySqurriel on 18 May 2009

If you look at the pattern of third party development on the Wii it seems to be that Nintendo (or another developer) creates a game which is simple, fun, and/or unique and it sells remarkably well and soon enough every third party publisher copies that game. Now this wouldn't necessarily be bad if these publishers were copying the success of games that are in genres where there had been a track record of the genre supporting several releases in a given year; but often these games are in genres which are either (mostly) new or have only (typically) supported a couple of games in a generation. I can understand that these companies want to build an IP in new and exciting markets (like fitness games) but they have produced an environment where they are in heavy competition with other third party publishers while leaving little competition for Nintendo with their conventional games.



Soundwave on 18 May 2009


Honestly the only third party Nintendo should really court is Square-Enix. Nintendo + Square-Enix = big sales in Japan, and other Japanese devs follow suit.

The Wii gets quirkier third party games like Little King Story, Murumasa, Boom Blox Party and is getting good sports games from EA.

I don't see the problem honestly. The Wii third party is going to get a lot better in the next 6 months, just like the DS did over time (remember everyone said the DS' third party support sucked early on too, now it has tons of good-great third party games).

The PS3 and 360 need third party sales as platforms they wouldn't survive 6 months without third party support. The Wii is not in that position.