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disolitude on 14 May 2009
Avinash_Tyagi said:
disolitude said:
Mr Khan said:

He is right, in both of his articles, though he points it out in a way such as is a bit more caustic than is prudent (pot-shots at Sony and Microsoft, etc.)

Nintendo has always been doomed, though for different (and sometimes legitimate) reasons

-The NES was doomed because gaming's future was with the computer
-The Super NES was doomed because they didn't embrace the aging audience like the Genesis did.
-The N64 was doomed because of cartridges (true enough), and also because they didn't embrace the aging audience
-The GameCube was doomed because it had no 3rd party support (kinda), kiddy games, no DVD, and no online
-The Wii is doomed because its an underpowered fad focusing on a fickle audience

The two articles sort of tie together (and tie with a recurring theme of his) that the game industry is removing itself from popular opinion. The industry itself knows what is best for it, and not the consumers. Thus a strong feeling of consensus emerges within the industry, norms that everyone know of come to govern thinking. Nintendo goes against these ideas, and become a pariah. The industry becomes more elitist and arrogant as time passes.

Gamecube was doomed. 5 bucks says that thing lost money. The GBA was selling 10s of millions of consoles per year and tonnes of software and nintendo was having 200 million profits per year.

Nintendo obviously didn't go under becuase of it, but calling something "doomed" is saying its going to fail. And nintendo did have failures in the past.

 

 

 You argue that Nintendo has had failures in the past, and yet throughout all that time in the video game industry, they have reamined profitable, with the exception of one quarter and been dominant in three generations of home console and every generation of handheld consoles, so tell me how that translates into a company being doomed or in any way in decline?

 

You're ignoring the pertinent points of this issue, in spite of what you may think, nintendo software sells more, its hardwares is selling more and its profits are higher than its competitors (in terms of gaming), so the fact is clear nintendo is in no way doomed, so there must be some disconnect in the media and industry that leads them to argue that it is.

 

I wouldn't call them dominant in 3 generations. I mean NES sure...SNES not so much. Snes and Genesis pretty close in marketshare for a long time, with Sega getting a lot more profits than ninty in 1993 and 1994.

Wii is Nintendos return to dominating. Everyone keeps pretending like ninty could do no wrong...while they really have not been a dominant sales force since early 90s when it comes to home consoles. Untill the Wii...

In any case the word doomed is an exageration. No one is saying ninty is doomed but some of their consoles like N64, Gamecube were shortchanged due to bad decisions. This is the doom media writes about... Doesn't mean everyone at nintendo is burning in hell...



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thetonestarr on 14 May 2009

49m to 29m is definitely dominant. That's nearly 2/3 of the market.



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SUPABRETT on 14 May 2009

Only an stupid fool would say that nintendo was doomed at any point in time since they started making Games.



Avinash_Tyagi on 14 May 2009
disolitude said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
disolitude said:
Mr Khan said:

He is right, in both of his articles, though he points it out in a way such as is a bit more caustic than is prudent (pot-shots at Sony and Microsoft, etc.)

Nintendo has always been doomed, though for different (and sometimes legitimate) reasons

-The NES was doomed because gaming's future was with the computer
-The Super NES was doomed because they didn't embrace the aging audience like the Genesis did.
-The N64 was doomed because of cartridges (true enough), and also because they didn't embrace the aging audience
-The GameCube was doomed because it had no 3rd party support (kinda), kiddy games, no DVD, and no online
-The Wii is doomed because its an underpowered fad focusing on a fickle audience

The two articles sort of tie together (and tie with a recurring theme of his) that the game industry is removing itself from popular opinion. The industry itself knows what is best for it, and not the consumers. Thus a strong feeling of consensus emerges within the industry, norms that everyone know of come to govern thinking. Nintendo goes against these ideas, and become a pariah. The industry becomes more elitist and arrogant as time passes.

Gamecube was doomed. 5 bucks says that thing lost money. The GBA was selling 10s of millions of consoles per year and tonnes of software and nintendo was having 200 million profits per year.

Nintendo obviously didn't go under becuase of it, but calling something "doomed" is saying its going to fail. And nintendo did have failures in the past.

 

 

 You argue that Nintendo has had failures in the past, and yet throughout all that time in the video game industry, they have reamined profitable, with the exception of one quarter and been dominant in three generations of home console and every generation of handheld consoles, so tell me how that translates into a company being doomed or in any way in decline?

 

You're ignoring the pertinent points of this issue, in spite of what you may think, nintendo software sells more, its hardwares is selling more and its profits are higher than its competitors (in terms of gaming), so the fact is clear nintendo is in no way doomed, so there must be some disconnect in the media and industry that leads them to argue that it is.

 

I wouldn't call them dominant in 3 generations. I mean NES sure...SNES not so much. Snes and Genesis pretty close in marketshare for a long time, with Sega getting a lot more profits than ninty in 1993 and 1994.

Wii is Nintendos return to dominating. Everyone keeps pretending like ninty could do no wrong...while they really have not been a dominant sales force since early 90s when it comes to home consoles. Untill the Wii...

In any case the word doomed is an exageration. No one is saying ninty is doomed but some of their consoles like N64, Gamecube were shortchanged due to bad decisions. This is the doom media writes about... Doesn't mean everyone at nintendo is burning in hell...

 

 Actually yeah people are all trying to say that the Wii is in decline or that Sony is going to catch up or other garbage, and yeah Nitnendo was dominant with the SNES, about 17 million more consoles than the genesis.  And even in the 90's and early 2000's they dominated the handheld market.  Clearly the media and the HD fanboys are living in some la-la land if they don't realize that nintendo is driving the industry forward.



 

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Smashchu2 on 14 May 2009
disolitude said:
HappySqurriel said:

A lot of people really dislike the success Nintendo has seen with the Nintendo DS and Wii because it goes against their belief system, and rather than questioning whether their beliefs were valid they cling to them and assume that the end is just around the corner for Nintendo ... While most of these people want superior graphics and more complexity to push games towards being an "Art" and think this will drive more people to adopt games, Nintendo has been successful with a system that produces modest and more approachable graphics, a simpler and more intuitive experience, and focuses on games being "Play" for people of all ages.

This is very nicely written Happy...but please consider nintendo today without waggle. All this success wouldn't be here. Graphics, games has nothign to do with nintendo sales.

Many people have said this and nintendo fans may take offense but Wii is a gamecube 1.5 with waggle control scheme...

Why would thier games sell consoles now when the playing field is even higher, when they didn't 5 years ago...especially considering that very minor updates are given these new games other than the new control scheme.

This article is saying that nintendo success is atributed to their games which is as crazy as saying that Sony PS3 success is atributed to bluray... nooo, its why it isn't number 1 right now.

No, you have it backwards. People bought the Wii to play Wii Sports. When Nintendo made the Wii Remote, they meant it to make software better. They were always thinking with Software first. The system's hardware made the software more fun and a lot more excessable. People would not have bought the Wii just for motion controls. There had to be something to use the motion control first.

Sony and Microsoft thought in revwerse. The thought people bought the hardware and then focused on software. They thought this probably becuase they were always the first to the gate and assumed people were not buying it for the launch games when better stuff came out. A "If you build it, they will come" philosophy. Nintendo's has always been "If you build it, they will come for the software for what you built."

 



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KungKras on 14 May 2009

"Sony and Microsoft rely on third parties to create an install base with their consoles because both companies lack the first party studio strength to perform it themselves. In other words, relying on third party software to drive install base is considered ‘normal’ and ‘the future’. Nintendo, like Sega and Atari and Hudson, rely on first party software to drive the install base."

This is why I will always like Nintendo the most. Nintendo systems is guaranteed to have Nintendo games, the others might lose their exclusive games any second.



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theRepublic on 14 May 2009
disolitude said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
disolitude said:
Mr Khan said:

He is right, in both of his articles, though he points it out in a way such as is a bit more caustic than is prudent (pot-shots at Sony and Microsoft, etc.)

Nintendo has always been doomed, though for different (and sometimes legitimate) reasons

-The NES was doomed because gaming's future was with the computer
-The Super NES was doomed because they didn't embrace the aging audience like the Genesis did.
-The N64 was doomed because of cartridges (true enough), and also because they didn't embrace the aging audience
-The GameCube was doomed because it had no 3rd party support (kinda), kiddy games, no DVD, and no online
-The Wii is doomed because its an underpowered fad focusing on a fickle audience

The two articles sort of tie together (and tie with a recurring theme of his) that the game industry is removing itself from popular opinion. The industry itself knows what is best for it, and not the consumers. Thus a strong feeling of consensus emerges within the industry, norms that everyone know of come to govern thinking. Nintendo goes against these ideas, and become a pariah. The industry becomes more elitist and arrogant as time passes.

Gamecube was doomed. 5 bucks says that thing lost money. The GBA was selling 10s of millions of consoles per year and tonnes of software and nintendo was having 200 million profits per year.

Nintendo obviously didn't go under becuase of it, but calling something "doomed" is saying its going to fail. And nintendo did have failures in the past.

 

 

 You argue that Nintendo has had failures in the past, and yet throughout all that time in the video game industry, they have reamined profitable, with the exception of one quarter and been dominant in three generations of home console and every generation of handheld consoles, so tell me how that translates into a company being doomed or in any way in decline?

 

You're ignoring the pertinent points of this issue, in spite of what you may think, nintendo software sells more, its hardwares is selling more and its profits are higher than its competitors (in terms of gaming), so the fact is clear nintendo is in no way doomed, so there must be some disconnect in the media and industry that leads them to argue that it is.

 

I wouldn't call them dominant in 3 generations. I mean NES sure...SNES not so much. Snes and Genesis pretty close in marketshare for a long time, with Sega getting a lot more profits than ninty in 1993 and 1994.

Wii is Nintendos return to dominating. Everyone keeps pretending like ninty could do no wrong...while they really have not been a dominant sales force since early 90s when it comes to home consoles. Untill the Wii...

In any case the word doomed is an exageration. No one is saying ninty is doomed but some of their consoles like N64, Gamecube were shortchanged due to bad decisions. This is the doom media writes about... Doesn't mean everyone at nintendo is burning in hell...

Nintendo was always more profitable than Sega.  In those two years you named, Nintendo made more than double what Sega did.

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disolitude on 14 May 2009
Avinash_Tyagi said:
disolitude said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
disolitude said:
Mr Khan said:

He is right, in both of his articles, though he points it out in a way such as is a bit more caustic than is prudent (pot-shots at Sony and Microsoft, etc.)

Nintendo has always been doomed, though for different (and sometimes legitimate) reasons

-The NES was doomed because gaming's future was with the computer
-The Super NES was doomed because they didn't embrace the aging audience like the Genesis did.
-The N64 was doomed because of cartridges (true enough), and also because they didn't embrace the aging audience
-The GameCube was doomed because it had no 3rd party support (kinda), kiddy games, no DVD, and no online
-The Wii is doomed because its an underpowered fad focusing on a fickle audience

The two articles sort of tie together (and tie with a recurring theme of his) that the game industry is removing itself from popular opinion. The industry itself knows what is best for it, and not the consumers. Thus a strong feeling of consensus emerges within the industry, norms that everyone know of come to govern thinking. Nintendo goes against these ideas, and become a pariah. The industry becomes more elitist and arrogant as time passes.

Gamecube was doomed. 5 bucks says that thing lost money. The GBA was selling 10s of millions of consoles per year and tonnes of software and nintendo was having 200 million profits per year.

Nintendo obviously didn't go under becuase of it, but calling something "doomed" is saying its going to fail. And nintendo did have failures in the past.

 

 

 You argue that Nintendo has had failures in the past, and yet throughout all that time in the video game industry, they have reamined profitable, with the exception of one quarter and been dominant in three generations of home console and every generation of handheld consoles, so tell me how that translates into a company being doomed or in any way in decline?

 

You're ignoring the pertinent points of this issue, in spite of what you may think, nintendo software sells more, its hardwares is selling more and its profits are higher than its competitors (in terms of gaming), so the fact is clear nintendo is in no way doomed, so there must be some disconnect in the media and industry that leads them to argue that it is.

 

I wouldn't call them dominant in 3 generations. I mean NES sure...SNES not so much. Snes and Genesis pretty close in marketshare for a long time, with Sega getting a lot more profits than ninty in 1993 and 1994.

Wii is Nintendos return to dominating. Everyone keeps pretending like ninty could do no wrong...while they really have not been a dominant sales force since early 90s when it comes to home consoles. Untill the Wii...

In any case the word doomed is an exageration. No one is saying ninty is doomed but some of their consoles like N64, Gamecube were shortchanged due to bad decisions. This is the doom media writes about... Doesn't mean everyone at nintendo is burning in hell...

 

 Actually yeah people are all trying to say that the Wii is in decline or that Sony is going to catch up or other garbage, and yeah Nitnendo was dominant with the SNES, about 17 million more consoles than the genesis.  And even in the 90's and early 2000's they dominated the handheld market.  Clearly the media and the HD fanboys are living in some la-la land if they don't realize that nintendo is driving the industry forward.

I know its a different argument but this whole Genesis and Snes thing. Genesis was discontinued in early 1996. Also Saturn came out in 1995 worldwide. Snes had a whole year to itself to "dominate" since n64 wasnt available until a year and change later.  Snes did sell 10 million units more by the time Genesis became "last gen" in 1995, all of which were in Japan but US was tied and Eu was skewing towards genesis. That is not domination...

PS3 may catch up to 360 in 2013...and then ps3 fans will scream "domination" too? I don't think so...

In any case, I know that nintendo has a lot of fans and that arguing anything against them is pointless, but the only market nintendo is driving is their own marketshare. the 3000+ nintendo employees are doing amazing right now. However the rest of the industry is not seeing any benefits from what nintendo is doing right now. Other than shovelware publishers that is...

Everyone expected Sega to have a great year this year. Multiple wii exclusives, low development cost, AAA games...well lets look at segas financial sheet a year from now and see if Wii is indeed helping the industry and moving it forward. Who knows, maybe mario and sonic winter games helps...

 

 



jefforange89 on 14 May 2009
disolitude said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
disolitude said:
Mr Khan said:

He is right, in both of his articles, though he points it out in a way such as is a bit more caustic than is prudent (pot-shots at Sony and Microsoft, etc.)

Nintendo has always been doomed, though for different (and sometimes legitimate) reasons

-The NES was doomed because gaming's future was with the computer
-The Super NES was doomed because they didn't embrace the aging audience like the Genesis did.
-The N64 was doomed because of cartridges (true enough), and also because they didn't embrace the aging audience
-The GameCube was doomed because it had no 3rd party support (kinda), kiddy games, no DVD, and no online
-The Wii is doomed because its an underpowered fad focusing on a fickle audience

The two articles sort of tie together (and tie with a recurring theme of his) that the game industry is removing itself from popular opinion. The industry itself knows what is best for it, and not the consumers. Thus a strong feeling of consensus emerges within the industry, norms that everyone know of come to govern thinking. Nintendo goes against these ideas, and become a pariah. The industry becomes more elitist and arrogant as time passes.

Gamecube was doomed. 5 bucks says that thing lost money. The GBA was selling 10s of millions of consoles per year and tonnes of software and nintendo was having 200 million profits per year.

Nintendo obviously didn't go under becuase of it, but calling something "doomed" is saying its going to fail. And nintendo did have failures in the past.

 

 

 You argue that Nintendo has had failures in the past, and yet throughout all that time in the video game industry, they have reamined profitable, with the exception of one quarter and been dominant in three generations of home console and every generation of handheld consoles, so tell me how that translates into a company being doomed or in any way in decline?

 

You're ignoring the pertinent points of this issue, in spite of what you may think, nintendo software sells more, its hardwares is selling more and its profits are higher than its competitors (in terms of gaming), so the fact is clear nintendo is in no way doomed, so there must be some disconnect in the media and industry that leads them to argue that it is.

 

I wouldn't call them dominant in 3 generations. I mean NES sure...SNES not so much. Snes and Genesis pretty close in marketshare for a long time, with Sega getting a lot more profits than ninty in 1993 and 1994.

Wii is Nintendos return to dominating. Everyone keeps pretending like ninty could do no wrong...while they really have not been a dominant sales force since early 90s when it comes to home consoles. Untill the Wii...

In any case the word doomed is an exageration. No one is saying ninty is doomed but some of their consoles like N64, Gamecube were shortchanged due to bad decisions. This is the doom media writes about... Doesn't mean everyone at nintendo is burning in hell...

You also neglect the fact that Nintendo has always dominated the handheld market.



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Avinash_Tyagi on 14 May 2009

Its still domination, since Snes controlled/was cometitive in more regions than the genesis.

PS3 will never catch up to Wii, Wii is dominant not the 360

The other two console makers are copying nintendo with motion controls,and the massive price drop of the HD twins are entriely due to Wii's dominance



 

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