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Mr Khan on 08 May 2009
Gamerace said:

The article is flawed and the gaming media is all to eager to ring the death bells for Nintendo but it does have a point.

Nintendo allows games to be in development until they feel they have them just right but often times that leaves an uneven release schdule. If they want to continue to have that flexiblity they really need to invest some of those billions in buying up or creating studios so they have a continuous stream of content. These large periods without major software are deadly.
Just look at Japan.

It annoys me even more that NoA could have released FF4 and D:DoC to fill some of the gaps but didn't bother.

If Nintendo wants to keep the Wii selling to the masses it HAS to maintain it's mind share in the masses and Nintendo has not be doing anything to do that for far too long. E3 had better be huge in the mainstream press (the gaming press won't matter) or Wii will be forgotten about and sales will drop.

Clearly neither of those games would have helped at all, though. Disaster scored a floptacular and Fatal Frame has really never been that big in America...

 



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Kenology on 08 May 2009
Ail said:
Kenology said:
Terrible analysis and a lot misinformation all around in that article.


On point #1: The Wii has an installed base of 8 million units in Japan. The PS3 has an installed base of 3 million units. The miniscule victories the PS3 has had over the past nine weeks are not putting any kind of a dent in that 5 million unit lead. The PS3 has had a slew of system moving software while the Wii has had none.

On point #2: The Wii is up YTD in 2009 over 2008 and it continuously outsells both the PS3 and 360 COMBINED. The XBox360 is not gaining any ground whatsoever. The 360 was up YoY in March as it had shortages in March '08 where the Wii had the launch of a system selling game (SSBB). That was not so in 2009. And I don't understand the assumption that Nintendo just has to keep the $250 price point forever. As long as the Wii outsells the HD consoles combined, it is INCREASING it's market share.

On Point #3: Games being good or not are subjective. So no point debating this issue.

On Point #4: Yeah, yeah, the tired 3rd party games don't sell argument. I guess that's why EA decided to concentrate more of it's resources to Wii and Activision did it's biggest business on the Wii. The author's selective cherry-picking is ridiculous. Has Doug Creutz ever even developed a Wii game? Why does what he's saying suddenly matter as opposed to what the developers and publishers who've actually developed on Wii are saying? Also, attach rates don't under perform. The author should re-read the article with Peter Moore to get a clearer understanding. They're games sell really well, they just want to reach even more consumers.

On Point #5: The DSi a distraction? Really? Moving on...

On Point #6: This is just based on rumor and speculation. Why it's even on this list is beyond me.

Might want to update your stats.

 

for #2, as of this week the Wii is now down 50k YoY in 2009 compared to 2008 ( provided Japan is around 20k as MC says).

 

Might wanna read the OP again.  For #2, the author was specifically talking about the US market, hence the reference to NPD.  And in the Americas, yes, the Wii is most definitely up YTD.



famousringo on 08 May 2009
Ail said:
Kenology said:

On point #2: The Wii is up YTD in 2009 over 2008 and it continuously outsells both the PS3 and 360 COMBINED. The XBox360 is not gaining any ground whatsoever. The 360 was up YoY in March as it had shortages in March '08 where the Wii had the launch of a system selling game (SSBB). That was not so in 2009. And I don't understand the assumption that Nintendo just has to keep the $250 price point forever. As long as the Wii outsells the HD consoles combined, it is INCREASING it's market share.

Might want to update your stats.

for #2, as of this week the Wii is now down 50k YoY in 2009 compared to 2008 ( provided Japan is around 20k as MC says).

 

And little wonder why. Brawl, Mario Kart and Wii Fit versus ExciteBots. It's impressive that those three games are still driving sales a year after they released, but Nintendo has gone far too long without a new system seller.

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SaviorX on 08 May 2009

That OP was bonkers.

They conveniently forget how Wii Music sold 2.65 million copies. I don't know how many "stand-alone titles" on the PS360 have been doing that without a number in the titles, ESPECIALLY the PS3.

They are right in a few regards. Nintendo has focused on the DS way more than the Wii; 5 years after release compared to the Wii's ~3. Everything else is highly exaggerated.



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Shanobi on 08 May 2009

Japan is so good at prediction sales trends. We can see this just by looking at the Xbox 360.

Yeah.



 

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Gamerace on 08 May 2009
Mr Khan said:
Gamerace said:

The article is flawed and the gaming media is all to eager to ring the death bells for Nintendo but it does have a point.

Nintendo allows games to be in development until they feel they have them just right but often times that leaves an uneven release schdule. If they want to continue to have that flexiblity they really need to invest some of those billions in buying up or creating studios so they have a continuous stream of content. These large periods without major software are deadly.
Just look at Japan.

It annoys me even more that NoA could have released FF4 and D:DoC to fill some of the gaps but didn't bother.

If Nintendo wants to keep the Wii selling to the masses it HAS to maintain it's mind share in the masses and Nintendo has not be doing anything to do that for far too long. E3 had better be huge in the mainstream press (the gaming press won't matter) or Wii will be forgotten about and sales will drop.

Clearly neither of those games would have helped at all, though. Disaster scored a floptacular and Fatal Frame has really never been that big in America...

 

I wasn't suggesting they would have been big sellers but they would have at least helped allow them to maintain a one game every 5 weeks schedule (and make me happy - and what's more important than that?)

 



 

Kenology on 08 May 2009
Shanobi said:
Japan is so good at prediction sales trends. We can see this just by looking at the Xbox 360.

Yeah.

I was thinkin' the same thing. By that logic the 360 should be rotting on store shelves with only the occasional shooter to move some units like the occasional JRPG moves units for Japan.

kungfusqurrel on 08 May 2009

i'm waiting for when the wii hits $149. right now there are plenty of games my little nephew enjoy on the 360. of course he loves mario but i got him a ds so that pretty much delivers the dose he needs.




 

amp316 on 08 May 2009

My favorite part is where it says that there has not been a pure "true gaming" blockbuster since Super Smash Bros. Brawl. I guess that trying to break time trial records in Mario Kart Wii is casual party poop and not true gaming at all.

Also, as the front page of this site shows, the Wii has had the greatest year financially for a gaming console ever. Yes, the sales are down a bit now, but last time I checked, they were for all of the consoles. This time of year is traditionally a slow period in the gaming market.

One last point to address. Has the Wii seen it's peak? Quite possibly yes. The greatest software and hardware sales for a video game system ever for one fiscal year is quite a peak though. Everything eventually slows down in sales. This is just the way that the Wii Smear Campaign puts their twist on things. These same people weren't saying that the PS2 was losing sales due to complacency when that console's sales went past their peak. Eventually, the sales on everything slow down. This is how things work after everyone that wants something has already bought it. Cabbage Patch Kids aren't still flying off of the shelves like it's the 80's, are they?



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coolestguyever on 08 May 2009

The argument they got way wrong is "software sells hardware". If that were true PS3 would be the leader this gen, then 360 then Wii. And PSP would be beating DS.

Theres more to it like...price.