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Infinity said:
kowenicki said:
forevercloud3000 said:
When two opponents are in a mile race together.
if one gets a 2 lap head start on the other, you cannot pass the finish line boasting about you won :P
The OP is very much relevant to today. People still love to point out that the PS3 is behind the two others without entering in the variables. 360 got a rather large head start, and the Wii is dirt cheap compared to HD and has appealed to a new market. The PS3 is doing fine relatively to those facts, yet the Wii is the true cinderella story this gen so far. PS3 might pull one, but much later in this gen.

Rubbish, of course you can.

Its the losers own stupid fault for sitting on the starting line scratching their arse rather than starting to run.

You cant then go to the race stewards and say "waahhh but i ran faster (when I eventually got going).... wahhhhh"

You lost.... thats how a race works.

Wrong. You have to think of it like a time trial. It doesn't matter who started first, the final time is what matters. To date, the PS3 has better sales in the same amount of time on the market. Do you really think the 360 will stay on the market longer than the PS3? Extremely unlikely.

Two problems in your argument:

1)  PS3 sales YOY are down, while 360 are up.  So while in the first 2.5 the PS3 may have sold more, they are trending down, while the 360 is trending up.  Carried out over time the 360 would win.  Add this to the fact that regardless of theory, the 360 DID have 5.5 million lead already, and the picture gets bleaker.  I'm not forecasting death for the PS3, please, I'm not stupid, but I don't think they are magically going to start selling 2-3x what they are now, either.  Now this admittedly does not take into account any future price cuts, but as the timing for a price cut seems unlikely too happen for the PS3 anytime soon, I'm not sure that it is even a valid discussion point, at this time.

2)  One system is currently selling better than it's HD rival and has a huge fanbase lead in a large market that has proven to purchase the software offered (US); the other while  not selling horribly, is selling less than it's direct HD rival, and only has a huge fanbase lead in the smaller (comparatively speaking) Japanesse market.  HOW do those facts support your assumption that the PS3 will be supported longer than the 360?  I'd argue that current market conditions suggest that the 360 is in a better position to be a cash cow for MS longer than the PS3 is likely to be for Sony.

 



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Totally agree with TRios_Zen^



TRios_Zen said:
Infinity said:
kowenicki said:
forevercloud3000 said:
When two opponents are in a mile race together.
if one gets a 2 lap head start on the other, you cannot pass the finish line boasting about you won :P
The OP is very much relevant to today. People still love to point out that the PS3 is behind the two others without entering in the variables. 360 got a rather large head start, and the Wii is dirt cheap compared to HD and has appealed to a new market. The PS3 is doing fine relatively to those facts, yet the Wii is the true cinderella story this gen so far. PS3 might pull one, but much later in this gen.

Rubbish, of course you can.

Its the losers own stupid fault for sitting on the starting line scratching their arse rather than starting to run.

You cant then go to the race stewards and say "waahhh but i ran faster (when I eventually got going).... wahhhhh"

You lost.... thats how a race works.

Wrong. You have to think of it like a time trial. It doesn't matter who started first, the final time is what matters. To date, the PS3 has better sales in the same amount of time on the market. Do you really think the 360 will stay on the market longer than the PS3? Extremely unlikely.

Two problems in your argument:

1) PS3 sales YOY are down, while 360 are up.

 

Good point, but 1) they are not down substantially,  2) Do you seriously believe the PS3 will do worse YOY again at this time next year? This is clearly not a continuing trend for PS3 sales. 3) Even with the 1 year drop in sales, the PS3 is still outselling the 360 in the same time frame!

 



PS3beats360 said:
http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=Wii&reg1=All&cons2=PS3&reg2=All&cons3=X360&reg3=All&weeks=156

PS3 is ahead of X360 by 3.5 million consoles from launch. PS3 is selling more systems than X360. It is only a matter of time PS3 will overtake X360 when PS3 console  price reaches optimal mass market penetration point of $299 and below.

PS3 has sold on average around 120 000 more consoles per month than XBox 360 for first 29 months of their lives on the market. Around 30k more PS3s sold every week than X360. PS3 will well and truly outsell XBox 360 and claim second place in console wars. PS3 outselling X360 by 20% more systems in same point in time comparison.

We have to bear in my PS3 has not had a real price cut yet. The PS3 price was reduced back in 2007 two times due to PS3 system modifications.

 

No its not and it never will be. The math does not work out right.



Then why is the PS3 still dead last?



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Stefan.De.Machtige said:
Maybe it's the exact time to lock this thread. I'm sure that can happen at the same point in time.

 

 It was that time about 20 pages ago.



The PS3 is selling fine--but let's face it, being first to market brings an advantage, and being last to market brings a disadvantage. This isn't some fantasy land bullshit where the last to market can be considered the victor by some insane dipshit voodoo logic--this is business. I've read multiple "race" analogies throughout this thread, and they're entirely irrelevant. What matters is the bottom line, and what the install base offers in the way of potential sales to developers.

Sony's Playstation 3 is in last place--period. It's not a knock on the system by any means; it's an excellent piece of hardware, and any serious gamer should eventually own all three consoles, really. But there's no reason to play these stupid games to somehow delude oneself into believing that one's personal favorite console is doing better than it really is.



People with a PS3 are playing in the 4th dimension. In their dimension, the PS3 has sold more than the 360.

Nobody is wrong here. We are just in different dimensions and VGChartz has the power to allow us to communicate with each other. This of course causes a problem because we have no common ground, everything is different in our receptive dimensions. Such as physics and game console sales.



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Pylis said:

The PS3 is selling fine--but let's face it, being first to market brings an advantage, and being last to market brings a disadvantage. This isn't some fantasy land bullshit where the last to market can be considered the victor by some insane dipshit voodoo logic--this is business. I've read multiple "race" analogies throughout this thread, and they're entirely irrelevant. What matters is the bottom line, and what the install base offers in the way of potential sales to developers.

Sony's Playstation 3 is in last place--period. It's not a knock on the system by any means; it's an excellent piece of hardware, and any serious gamer should eventually own all three consoles, really. But there's no reason to play these stupid games to somehow delude oneself into believing that one's personal favorite console is doing better than it really is.

Being first to market brings an advantage? Tell that to the following consoles:

Fairchild Channel F (came out before Atari 2600)

Turbo-Grafx  16 (came out before SNES)

3DO (came out before Playstation)

Dreamcast (came out before PS2)

 

Its the Xbots who are "deluding themselves" into thinking just because it had a head start in install base that it will sell the most consoles when all is said and done.

 



I think all the faithful people in this thread should know that the PS3's sales are down below the Xbox 360s sales for EVERY POINT IN 2008!!! With sales threatening to drop below 100k per week.



Tease.