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Diomedes1976 said: Mmm ,the PSP has already exceeded 5 million and in only two years .An it isnt exactly winning ,in fact Japan is its worst market specially software-wise . And Saturn and the N64 made more than 5 million (altough not by much ) . Are you sure you arent making numbers with your ass ?? One more thing ;Sony is a sensible shareholder of Square Enix . I am not arguing your point ,its normal that if the Nintendo plattform wipes out the floor with the competition Squares games would appear on that one .Just that your numbers are wrong and you arent taking in count some things .FFIII and DQ Joker have managed 1 million each ,very good numbers but not in the big DS games league and not in the FF and DQ league ....I think Square will be careful not to put all its hardcore games in a plattform suited to non-games ....from where the "serious games " announced in GDC .
I was trying to point out that Square tends to release games to established userbases when it comes to home consoles ... The 5 Million number was a (rough) approximation to how well the Saturn, N64, and Gamecube sold in Japan ... Essentially, I was elaborating on the statement which I quoted ... The fact is that (with what we see with the PSP) Square is willing to support a "losing" system if they've sold enough units ... This has not happened with a trailing home console in Japan



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jaridas said: In regards to Square. I think people have the relationship the wrong way around. Square will support the winning console. They have always had this attitude. It helps the steamroll effect of the winning console but the console has already taken the market by that point.
Agreed. No wait, I'm going to simplify it even more. Square has only ever switched who they support once, when they went from Nintendo platforms to Sony. Why did they do that? Because the CD offered them the space that they couldn't get on the cartridge for their RPG's. While they wouldn't have made the switch if the playstation was bombing, it's still more technically based than success based. And Square is supporting the Wii. Remember, it is Square-Enix now. And I'm predicting that the Wii Dragon Quest game is going to be bigger than the PS3 Final Fantasy game in Japan.



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vanguardian1 said: Be aware this works both ways. I believe Home is accurrate for PS3 oriented gamers and talking about things like "And Sony's Home definitely doesn't appeal to crowds of people like the Mii system does." is a bit exaggerate. It's like The Sims - but this is YOU in the game. You can date, play and so. Possibilities are impressive - why it's so damn difficult for Nintendo fanboys to admit it. Yes, the possibilities ARE interesting, I didn't question that. BTW I don't believe there is a need to attract non-gamers. Then even outside of cost, the PS3 will be lucky to hit *well* under 50 million in 6 years. Let me give you a hint as to what's crushing the PS2's sales records. It's a little thing called a DS that's moderately attracting to dedicated gamers but also very attracting to casual and non-gamers. At it's current sales pace, it will surpass PS2's install base in Japan somewhere between August and October, it's current install base was achieved in half the time it took the PS2 to reach. Yes, it's a handheld console, not a home console but it still proves that casual and non-gamers are also willing to buy games and hardware. Sony has massive base of users and they know what the audience needs. Home is one of the answers. PS3 follows the lagacy of PS2. Same style but better - games will arrive. Gamers will follow. Yep, Sony has a massive base of users with the PS2. Too bad they've alienated most of them with the PS3's current setup. The only people they're offering with the PS3 right now (and the forseeable future) are technologists, big sony fans, and gamers expecting the PS3 to repeat the PS2's sucess. The PS3's current software selection (and that of the next few months) is definitely catered more to "hardcore" gamers than the wii's, but it's just as small and lacking variety as well. The PS3 requires a much larger amount of investment from both consumers and developers, meaning that both are going to have significantly lower total investment into the console, meaning fewer people buying the console, and fewer games being developed for the console. In the meantime on the Wii we have developer after developer announcing support, several of which having new IP's for the Wii. EA has several new IP's for it, Capcom announced several in development, Konami as well (a new DDR, Dewey, and an unnamed RPG, I'm praying it's Suikoden), Ubisoft has done some decent games and ports (Red Steel was far better than most people give it credit for) and has more in store for Wii. Square-Enix is putting one of it's biggest series onto the DS now, and unless sony plays some better cards, more series from them may not appear on PS3 as well, and since Japan isn't a viable market for the 360, that leaves Wii. Several noteable developers in Japan from various companies just announced a joint-effort for a new Wii IP exclusive, codenamed "Project O". Developers are taking notice, and as a result the Wii has had more "new upcoming game" announcements from developers than PS3 or 360 has had this year. On http://www.gamasutra.com/ , a game developer website, there's been ad after ad of various developers looking for people to program for "gamecube/wii" games these last few months. Right now the dealer/consumer just reshuffled the deck, and so far Sony's hand isn't looking too good at the moment. We'll see just how well the dealer starts this hand on Thursday when the Febuary NPD for North America comes out, and we'll also be able to see the after effects of the "Gundabump" in japan. Someday I'll get a PS3, when it comes down to the price of a regular game console. Until then, they can keep the console and let it collect dust on the store shelves for all I care.
I dont see that massive support you say developers are giving to the Wii .In fact most of its announced games are ports of PSP and PS2 titles or rehashed GC titles .Or ports of DS games .Of course there is some original games coming as DQ Swords or No More Heroes but frankly most of the heavy hitters of this generation will be missing in the Wii ;Assasins Creed ,Quake Wars ,GTA IV ,Killzone 2 ,Halo 3 ,Burnout 5 ,Colin Mc Rae Dirt ,Final Fantasy XIII ,Final Fantasy XIII Versus ,Battlefield Bad Company ,Half Life Episode 2 ,Haze ,Alan Wake ,Two Worlds ,Star Wars Force Unleashed ,Indiana Jones ,Fatal Inertia ,Wipeout ,GT ,Forza Motorsport 2 ,Unreal 3 .....most of these are multiplattform to X360 and PS3 or exclusive to one of these . And I dont see either the PS2 users alienated with the PS3 .Here in my country except some of the pirate-type who dont like the console as they cant pirate it yet (and who dont give Sony any profit ) everyone is waiting for the console .Most of the badmouthing the console is receiving is just from a vocal minority in the internet ...a vocal minority that oh surprise are owners or future owners of the competition machines . Conclusion ;Your speech is more wishful thinking than anything .



Diomedes - which country are you from ? cause i don't know one person who wanna buy a ps3 (cause of the price) - most of my friends buy wii or xbox360 ... but ok ... in europe you still can't buy ps3 and there are many cool games for the ps2 which is very cheap



Diomedes1976 said: I dont see that massive support you say developers are giving to the Wii .In fact most of its announced games are ports of PSP and PS2 titles or rehashed GC titles .Or ports of DS games .Of course there is some original games coming as DQ Swords or No More Heroes but frankly most of the heavy hitters of this generation will be missing in the Wii ;Assasins Creed ,Quake Wars ,GTA IV ,Killzone 2 ,Halo 3 ,Burnout 5 ,Colin Mc Rae Dirt ,Final Fantasy XIII ,Final Fantasy XIII Versus ,Battlefield Bad Company ,Half Life Episode 2 ,Haze ,Alan Wake ,Two Worlds ,Star Wars Force Unleashed ,Indiana Jones ,Fatal Inertia ,Wipeout ,GT ,Forza Motorsport 2 ,Unreal 3 .....most of these are multiplattform to X360 and PS3 or exclusive to one of these . And I dont see either the PS2 users alienated with the PS3 .Here in my country except some of the pirate-type who dont like the console as they cant pirate it yet (and who dont give Sony any profit ) everyone is waiting for the console .Most of the badmouthing the console is receiving is just from a vocal minority in the internet ...a vocal minority that oh surprise are owners or future owners of the competition machines . Conclusion ;Your speech is more wishful thinking than anything .
The Wii has been getting pretty constant "Pre-Announcements" of games since E3 of 2006; recently Grasshopper (Killer 7) announced that there were 3 titles in developmen (No More Heroes and 2 more games), and EA has announced that they're working on an exclusive Wii game with Stephen Spielberg. At the same time the Wii is selling faster than the PS2 in both North America and in Japan which will lead to greater support ...



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As people have said before. The wii is irrelevent in regards the ps3 and xbox360. It's in it's own category, it's real competition is probably the ps2 at this early stage. As regards the ps3 it's barely out of the gates yet. It's future proof for many years, got a blistering lineup of games to come etc. Anyone backing against the ps3 is making a huge mistake imo. Upto now i would expect Sony to be genuinely delighted with sales considering it's pricepoint which will change and lack of early aaa titles.



jaspey said: As people have said before. The wii is irrelevent in regards the ps3 and xbox360. It's in it's own category, it's real competition is probably the ps2 at this early stage. As regards the ps3 it's barely out of the gates yet. It's future proof for many years, got a blistering lineup of games to come etc. Anyone backing against the ps3 is making a huge mistake imo. Upto now i would expect Sony to be genuinely delighted with sales considering it's pricepoint which will change and lack of early aaa titles.
But it really is relevant. Just because it's so different from the competition doesn't mean it's a different category.



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Chrizum is the best thing to happen to the internet, Period.

Serves me right for challenging his sales predictions!

Bet with dsisister44: Red Steel 2 will sell 1 million within it's first 365 days of sales.

The issue is this: In all reality, there are only 2 horses in the biggest sales race: Sony and Nintendo. MS isn't a compeditor, as there is a 0.0% chance it will win Japan, the 2nd biggest market, thus eliminating them from the race. We must focus on what strengths Sony is going to have to actually beat the powerhouse that is the Wii - there's nearly a 4m unit gap that seems to be widening. Sony has to focus on their titles, and securing multi-plat X360 games. The Wii isn't competition for the PS3 as much as the DS is. Ironically, most support is going from the PS3 to the DS, and not to the Wii. Because of this, it might not help the Wii as much as it's hurting the PS3. Despite this, Sony has to focus on increasing sales next year, and the year after that, as Sony will never get up if it can't secure future titles like FF 14, new Dragon Quest games, more Capcom, Namco and EA games. If it can keep those + broker new deals with T2, it stands a chance. However, the real question will be how well Sony does in Europe. The 360, although not in competition for the grand title, will be a much more fierce competitor for the PS3, as it's the only system capible of stealing games fro PS3, to which it's done a great job thus far. To really stop the hemmoraging, Sony has to ensure that despite the 360 getting so many new games, that they keep alot. If anything, Sony NEEDS to start shipping about twice the titles it is via their own 1st party and 2nd party, as they've seem to tied both consoles for 3rd party exclusives.



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But it really is relevant. Just because it's so different from the competition doesn't mean it's a different category.
I think you're wrong. wii sales will have minimal effect especially on ps3 sales and vice versa at this point. Once the ps3 price drops to be in range of the casual gamer that's when it'l be relevent.



Vienna said: Diomedes - which country are you from ? cause i don't know one person who wanna buy a ps3 (cause of the price) - most of my friends buy wii or xbox360 ... but ok ... in europe you still can't buy ps3 and there are many cool games for the ps2 which is very cheap
I am from Spain . Here people adds two and two and between a machine that cost 400+60 per year (+200 if you want to see films in HD.. ) and another that costs 500-600 and thats it as total investment ..... most people have it quite clear .