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Stromprophet said: I don't know if the Europeans make more or less than in North America. Things tend to be more expensive there in general so I don't know that I'd want to live there. I've also heard there is unemployment in some countries that make it look like a depression. Do you live in Canada Squirrel? I assume that's what you mean by the Tar-Sands. You web programmers! You must have been living it up in the 90s. I work as a mechanical engineer right now and despite all that education the average salary for an ME has not gone up for a while. It was 45k Median in 2000. I got out in 2004 and got the job I wanted in 2005 making 45k a year. I wasn't a slouch either, I was like #2 or #3 in GPA in my class. The job market got ridiculous after 9/11. And they outsourced a lot of the engineering jobs to India and China. I had an offer to work for Slumberge down in Texas and I would be on Oil Rigs in the gulf and down in South America. I also have a minor in Spanish so this would have worked, but I have a pretty bad knee and I have trouble standing all day. I would have been on 18-hour shifts for 2 weeks then off 1 week, and then back on, and so on. It would have been nice though, they paid for housing and food. I would have saved a buttload, but it would have been terrible. To the guy in France, I think they said something like 28% of American households make more than 250k a year. So yeah, there are a lot of rich people. America has 8 million millionares not counting the equity of their primary residence (meaning they have 1 million in cash, stock, or bonds). Still, I wouldn't target the rich is I wanted to be successful with normal eletronic products.
28% of households make 250,000/year? I know about 3 people that make more than that. I'm thinking of around 40-50 households. and about 3 make more than 250,000/year. What america do you live in? becuase it's not mine!!! hot damn. I'd be happy with 25,000/year. screw 250,000!!! (250,000$/year translates into a full time job makeing around 125$/hour, or 2 family members working full time jobs makeing over 60$/hour. The only person I know that gets paid that, is a multi-millionarie. (I think something like 20million, and makes that from investments) Also, if 28% of households made 250,000$. There would be damn near close to 120million, millionaires.



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I'd like to know ONE american out of the 100+ I know that make anywhere near that. Maybe they meant 28% make 25,000 a year. Thats more like it.



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Kwaad said: 28% of households make 250,000/year? I know about 3 people that make more than that. I'm thinking of around 40-50 households. and about 3 make more than 250,000/year. What america do you live in? becuase it's not mine!!! hot damn. I'd be happy with 25,000/year. screw 250,000!!! (250,000$/year translates into a full time job makeing around 125$/hour, or 2 family members working full time jobs makeing over 60$/hour. The only person I know that gets paid that, is a multi-millionarie. (I think something like 20million, and makes that from investments) Also, if 28% of households made 250,000$. There would be damn near close to 120million, millionaires.
I may be remembering this incorrectly but I saw an article in a magazine about 5 months ago which stated that only 5% of Canadian households make more than $90,000 per year ... Being that most countries in the world have a GDP per capita under $50,000 (US) I couldn't see it being much different in other countries. Edit: I honstly don't remember if the $90,000 was gross or net



staticneuron said: All I know is that there is a high chance that the 4 mill lined up for europe will pretty much sell out. Initial shipments of most consoles sell out. That number might very well put the PS3 over the Wii in terms of worldwide sales. After this happens I wonder if people will continue to say the PS3 is doing horrible.
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ookaze said: What a nonsense. People talking about salaries that a few people make. If the market of the PS3 is $75k+ salaries, it's bound to fail completely. I don't know for USA actually, but in France, I make in this range, and I'm in the 10% of the France population making the most in salary (meaning 90% of the population don't make as much). Some years ago, the mean was like 1600€ (before taxes !). Then again, this is the salary before taxes, food, lodging, commodities, kids, ... Calculating something from this without removing all the charges is meaningless. You calculate what it costs you from what you have left once all your mandatory charges are paid for ! Then you have some money left, and that's what you use to know how much it will cost you. And I'm not even counting the HDTV set yet. So less than 10 % homes in France could buy it at this rate. And England is 20 % of Europe in sales, and France 18 %. And NO, 19-22 people making $50k-75k range in salary is not the norm either, that's a very few elite people. Knowing lots of wealthy people because you yourself are wealthy, doesn't make everyone wealthy.
Agree 50k-75k is a lot of rich people. The thing is that Kwaad remeber wrong it is closer to: 28-42k USD. The median in sweden is actualy: 280k SEK per year. But that doesn't matter I still thing is that it is still quit expensive system.



 

 

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HappySqurriel said: Stromprophet said: Do you live in Canada Squirrel? I assume that's what you mean by the Tar-Sands. You web programmers! You must have been living it up in the 90s. I work as a mechanical engineer right now and despite all that education the average salary for an ME has not gone up for a while. It was 45k Median in 2000. I got out in 2004 and got the job I wanted in 2005 making 45k a year. I wasn't a slouch either, I was like #2 or #3 in GPA in my class. I live in Calgary and wasn't a web-programmer in the 90's ... I was cheap "labour" at a tiny and poorly run game developer for a few years (durring University and for about 2 years after I graduated), tried to start my own development house with friends and ran out of money before we could find a publisher and moved into web-development about 2 years ago; I worked as a contractor for about 15 months and took a position as an employee when I was told by several other contractors and head-hunters that with 3 years of experience as a web developer contracting will become much easier. Currently in Calgary anyone can find a job (my company is looking to hire 30 software developers) but the wages have not matched the cost of living increases; my rent on a 500 square foot apartment is $1200 per month.
Sounds like gothenburg, I just hope that the socialist will keep the rents down there is a good thing with non-market rents for apartments :) still the rents is close to 700 USD a month for a really small apartments.



 

 

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Median income in the US is 46K per household. 91K puts you in the top 20% of households. I'm sure 250K puts you in the top 4 or 5% of households.



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Kwaad said: 28% of households make 250,000/year? I know about 3 people that make more than that. I'm thinking of around 40-50 households. and about 3 make more than 250,000/year. What america do you live in? becuase it's not mine!!! hot damn. I'd be happy with 25,000/year. screw 250,000!!! (250,000$/year translates into a full time job makeing around 125$/hour, or 2 family members working full time jobs makeing over 60$/hour. The only person I know that gets paid that, is a multi-millionarie. (I think something like 20million, and makes that from investments) Also, if 28% of households made 250,000$. There would be damn near close to 120million, millionaires.
I can't remember if they were using a median number on that. I saw it on CNBC. Remember, just because a household makes that much a year doesn't mean they keep it. The 8 million people who are millionares was a number from 2004 I think, but it excluded their primary residence (which is most peoples worth in equity). It was purely in the value of their cash, bonds, and stock, not posessions. There's only 300 million people in america, 28% is less than 33% so that number would in fact be less than 100 million (plus it says households, which includes wives, and children, and older parents who may now be living with them). Regardless, just because you make so much doesn't mean you save so much. You tend to adjust to your pay. I make about 50k a year and I adjusted to it rather quickly. My bank account has been level for the last month or so. Sometimes you just don't save money, you have to consider how hard it is to actually save 1 million dollars, even in your 401k, IRA, both of which I invest in regularly. If I break it down after taxes I'm around 2700-2800 a month after taxes. But Rent = 569 Car = 312.13 College Loan = 56.5 Phone = 46.07 Cable = 102.12 (Internet, HBO, Showtime, Cable, HD box, etc) Energy Bill = (variable but around 60-80 bucks) Car Insurance = 63.45 Renters Insurance = 14 HDTV from BB = 15 (which I have on financing so I pay the minumum for now) And those are my fixed expenses Variable Gas = 40 (I'm lucky to live 2 miles from work and not travel a ton with my car) Car Maintenance = (which includes car washes, oil change, etc) = 25-30 Food = 100 (And that's cheap, I shop at Aldis and it still costs me 25 bucks a week to feed myself) Eating out = 50 Household = (Cleaning supplies, Household items, like a coat rack, etc) = 25-30 Office = (Paper supplies, pens, etc) 10-15 Entertainment = (Now this one can vary so much, I go to bars, I play texas holdem, I go to movies) 200 Doctor/Dentist = (Despite having good health insurance, typically they still don't pay for 100% if it's beyond a cleaning or physical exam, they usually pay about 80% of more advanced stuff) 20-25 And 200 dollars goes in my IRA every month. Add it all up and that's 1950. So I can only save around 700 bucks a month, which is 8400 a year, which is nothing in the grand scheme. Depending on what I do for the month entertainment can go way higher (for instance if I go to say the nudie bar, also texas holdem is a 60 dollar buy in every week for a tournament so yeah, it can go way higher) If I was making 250,000 a year, it's likely my expenses would go up. I'd have a larger home, which means more insurance to cover the home, land taxes, home maintenance. I'd have a better car, higher car payment, more insurance for that car. Having a larger home I need to put more stuff in it, more furniture. If I have kids and a wife I will be getting them things, making sure they have what they need in the home, etc. Energy bill is higher, more phones more than likely so also higher. If I make 250k a year, it's likely I keep different company, the kind that likes to golf, go to more expensive clubs, eat more expensive food, play more expensive games of texas holdem. I'd also be in a higher tax bracket, right now I pay about 27, 28%, at 250k I think that's approaching the 45% range. Plus when you make that money it's more likely you spend money on things otherwise you wouldn't. You can see, it would be hard to actually save 1 million in real terms outside your homes value.



Erik Aston said: Median income in the US is 46K per household. 91K puts you in the top 20% of households. I'm sure 250K puts you in the top 4 or 5% of households.
I could always be wrong, but I could have sworn I saw that on CNBC.