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staticneuron on 12 March 2007

stof said: I think it was Shams who nailed it. People are coming down on the PS3 because it's not repeating the smashing success of the PS2. It's having lackluster sales as compared to it's competition, and it's not the system with momentum. Also, I'd like to add that the PS3 hate wouldn't be as high if any of the following occured 1. The PS3 was released earlier, in which case it would be quite close to the 360 in sales 2. Nintendo's new system wasn't the innovative, low priced, headline grabbing and high selling Wii. If Nintendo had a gamecube 2 out right now, they'd have few systems sold and few people interested in it, leaving most people criticizing them instead of Sony 3. It were cheaper. Really, it's the most expensive system since the 3D0. That's the kind of thing that warrants criticism 4. If it had one or two more good launch titles. Most people complain because they can say "It only had one good title, and a bunch of 360 ports!" This is one complaint thats getting harder to make as more games come out though. 5. There is no 5 6. If it launched simultaneously in Europe. I say this only because the lack of a launch there leaves it to speculation. Speculation that goes both ways of course, with some people claiming that Europe will be the PS3's saviour. But for those that do criticise it, it allows them to make bold - and likely wrong - statements about how the PS3 will fare there once released.
With all due respect, I disagree. The only point that people are mad about is the price of the PS3. Everything else is pretty much trivial.



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Alacrist on 12 March 2007

staticneuron said: stof said: I think it was Shams who nailed it. People are coming down on the PS3 because it's not repeating the smashing success of the PS2. It's having lackluster sales as compared to it's competition, and it's not the system with momentum. Also, I'd like to add that the PS3 hate wouldn't be as high if any of the following occured 1. The PS3 was released earlier, in which case it would be quite close to the 360 in sales 2. Nintendo's new system wasn't the innovative, low priced, headline grabbing and high selling Wii. If Nintendo had a gamecube 2 out right now, they'd have few systems sold and few people interested in it, leaving most people criticizing them instead of Sony 3. It were cheaper. Really, it's the most expensive system since the 3D0. That's the kind of thing that warrants criticism 4. If it had one or two more good launch titles. Most people complain because they can say "It only had one good title, and a bunch of 360 ports!" This is one complaint thats getting harder to make as more games come out though. 5. There is no 5 6. If it launched simultaneously in Europe. I say this only because the lack of a launch there leaves it to speculation. Speculation that goes both ways of course, with some people claiming that Europe will be the PS3's saviour. But for those that do criticise it, it allows them to make bold - and likely wrong - statements about how the PS3 will fare there once released. With all due respect, I disagree. The only point that people are mad about is the price of the PS3. Everything else is pretty much trivial.
Yeah, I have to agree with Static, the price is the only valid point but if they do a price drop what then? And about release dates someone posted on one of the other debates here, that in the first 17 weeks the DC, GC, PSP, and N64 sold more than the PS3 did in it's first 17 weeks (in Japan). I didn't think the PS3 would take off (mainly because of price) but I didn't epect it to be this fall behind in Japan or NA and certainly not behind Nintendo.(Even though I hope Nintendo would do great)



 

  

 

Diomedes1976 on 12 March 2007

The sales arent lackluster .Lets see ,its doing marginally better than the X360 last year in NA but competing with the Wii and the X360 (powered by its two most anticipated titles as Gears and Lost Planet ) while the X360 was alone . In Japan the sales are lackluster only compared to the PS2 ,hopefully sales will pick up as more games as Gundam Mussou arrive (Hot Shot Golf 5 ,Mist of Chaos ,Virtua Tennis 3 ,Monsters Kingdom ,ISS ,more Jrpg ....) . As I told in another thread most of the PS3 bashing is made only in the internet by a vocal minority that are mostly users or future users of the rival consoles so ...who cares ?The only problem PS3 has is the price that is too high to penetrate fast .Besides that the console doesnt have any major problem and it already has a good amount of good games as Virtua Fighter 5 ,F1 ,Resistence ,Motorstorm ,NBA Homecourt , NBA 2K ,Call of Duty 3,NBA College Hoops ,Def Jam Icon and in a week or so Virtua Tennis 3 ,Armored Core 4 ,Oblivion ,Splinter Cell and some others .



stof on 12 March 2007

staticneuron said: With all due respect, I disagree. The only point that people are mad about is the price of the PS3. Everything else is pretty much trivial.
Sure it's trivial, but they are still reasons why people criticize the console.



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Stromprophet on 12 March 2007

HappySqurriel said: roadkillers said: I hate going to web sites and people saying " THE PS3 PHAILS"!!!! Then people ask why, then they say no ones buying it. Well if they would look at the sales they could see, yes they are in last for the sales of the consoles, but... 1. Its not even in any other country rather then America and Japan and once its does its gunna sell a hell of a lot more. 2. The 360 was released one year before the PS3. So of course its gunna have more sales. I esspecially hate it when 360 fanboys say the PS3 sucks because no ones buying it. When they say that I say "Well the 360 had a year head start and its already losing in Japan to a higher priced console." Well this is gunna be a dumb topic, im not to sure why im posting it but I wanna hear what people think about other people saying there favorite console fails because its not selling that great at first. Developers and gamers gravitate towards the sytem which is selling "Best" ... which then causes a self fulfilling cycle where gamers buy a system because it has the most games and developers produce games for a system because it has a larger userbase. Now, why people talk about how poorly the PS3 is selling they tend to be comparing it to systems which sold at a similar rate; these are not good comparisons to the PS3 because many of these systems failed (Dreamcast) ...
You do know the PS2 sold exactly 250k in consoles in January 2001, the exact same position the PS3 is in now. Also the PS3 has sold more since release in NA than the PS2 did to this point. Is it selling like the Dreamcast? The Dreamcast initially sold well, it only stopped selling once the PS2 had a few months under its belt. The dreamcast died because it was woefully less powerful than all the competing systems. I think the DC only rendered something like 3 million polygons and the PS2 could do something like 70 million. Plus Sega was in a bad supporting position. Both things that should not affect the PS3. The PS3 is comparable or better in terms of hardware and horsepower and Sony is supporting the system on every level and with their checkbook.



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Stromprophet on 12 March 2007

mitran said: the ps3 is not selling bad its selling as the 360 in USA and much more in japan and will sell better in Eu some info to prove that the ps3 aint seling bad (however not great )
Very good demonstration. It also shows that the PS2 wasn't exactly blowing it up at first either. (Though a lot of this was due to shortages of PS2s) I find it insane that people are so critical of Sony. It's very impressive that they are able to manufacture so many PS3s this quickly. Considering the level of technology in the Machine. It took Microsoft 6 months to solve their manufacturing issues with less hardware involved. Sony solved the manufacturing delays within almost a month of launch. At least give them some credit where credit is due. Also the 600 dollars is worth every single penny, considering they are putting components that cost 840 bucks in total into that machine. Blu-ray has to be one of the biggest bonuses, which is precisely why I am getting one very soon with my tax refund. Blu-ray movies can be found for less or equivalent to the DVD price and they look very good. Anyone who has viewed HDTV knows how good HD looks. I've seen several people here saying crazy things about the PS3 sales. If you looked at the first 3 months of XBOX (original) sales and started drawing the same conclusions you are now about the Wii you would have been wrong. Xbox sold about 800k each month in the US for November and December, that's more than the Wii did in those months. I think it's insane to come to the conclusion that anything is going to fail or be wildly successful. Some people are saying the Wii is going to sell more than the PS2 did. I'd like to see that. The DS might not even reach that level and that thing is more popular than the Wii is. Really, the PS3 sales for the price, level of current competition, and what's currently available in gaming on the machine are just fine. The one thing no one here ever considers is the PS3 will have a longer life span than the Wii or 360 simply because it has more room to grow in the way developers are able to use its architecture to improve gameplay, graphics, physics, AI, environments. I don't think it will sell as many as the PS2, I don't think any of the current gen will. I do think it will remain very competitive with the other 2 consoles and *may* start to sell better later in its life cycle.



Stromprophet on 12 March 2007

staticneuron said: All I know is that there is a high chance that the 4 mill lined up for europe will pretty much sell out. Initial shipments of most consoles sell out. That number might very well put the PS3 over the Wii in terms of worldwide sales. After this happens I wonder if people will continue to say the PS3 is doing horrible.
4 million? Last I heard Britian (UK) had secured 220,000 units and then asked Sony to bump it up to 300k, which they did. Historically UK is 1/4 of Europe in terms of sales. So likely that brings the total to 1.2 million available for Launch. Yes, they are selling out. PS3 has taken 15 times as many pre-orders as Wii did. Will it go over the Wii numbers for both systems? No. Unfortunately by the end of March we are likely only looking at 4 million consoles world wide (actually sold).



Kwaad on 12 March 2007

HappySqurriel said: First off you realize that performance on a single site does not represent a larger trend, right? On top of that it is only a sales ranking which doesn't really give much information. Hypothetically speaking, amazon.co.uk could have been receiving very small shipments of Wii systems because they are not a large retailer for Nintendo in the UK ... On the other hand maybe Sony said that they would ensure Amazon had enough systems to fill all pre-orders ... Or maybe the PS3 is just disproportionately popular in the UK ... Consider www.amazon.fr: #2 Wii #8 PS3 #9, #10, #90 DS Lite #22 DS #40 VSmile Pocket www.amazon.de: #7 Wii #29,#40 DS Lite #58 DS #64,#86 Gameboy Micro *Not sure about germany... don't speak german
You do know that England is a large portion of the European market... right? Anyone wanna spit a number as to what % it is? England and France. Both the PS3 has good standings. The PS3 is gonna rock europe hard. I am not compareing it to the Wii. So put some 360 numbers on there buddy. The Wii is gonna be a run-away hit untill people get tired of it. When will that be? No-one knows. Question is, where is the 360 on those lists?



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robjoh on 12 March 2007

staticneuron said: All I know is that there is a high chance that the 4 mill lined up for europe will pretty much sell out. Initial shipments of most consoles sell out. That number might very well put the PS3 over the Wii in terms of worldwide sales. After this happens I wonder if people will continue to say the PS3 is doing horrible.
I would probarbly do it :) mostly because I never belived that sony would be so bad in Japan. I honestly thought that mayby Wii could do 50/50 against ps3 because of the DS. Now they are leading with 1 million. I do belive that the first million will sell well and after that, the sales will slow down after the initial rush (just like it did in USA and Japan), until the price drop come. Have problem to see that all EU sony fans would jump ship to Wii or xbox360. BUT I do belive that not all sony fans belive that PS3 is worth 599€ + VAT



 

 

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robjoh on 12 March 2007

Kwaad said: HappySqurriel said: First off you realize that performance on a single site does not represent a larger trend, right? On top of that it is only a sales ranking which doesn't really give much information. Hypothetically speaking, amazon.co.uk could have been receiving very small shipments of Wii systems because they are not a large retailer for Nintendo in the UK ... On the other hand maybe Sony said that they would ensure Amazon had enough systems to fill all pre-orders ... Or maybe the PS3 is just disproportionately popular in the UK ... Consider www.amazon.fr: #2 Wii #8 PS3 #9, #10, #90 DS Lite #22 DS #40 VSmile Pocket www.amazon.de: #7 Wii #29,#40 DS Lite #58 DS #64,#86 Gameboy Micro *Not sure about germany... don't speak german You do know that England is a large portion of the European market... right? Anyone wanna spit a number as to what % it is? England and France. Both the PS3 has good standings. The PS3 is gonna rock europe hard. I am not compareing it to the Wii. So put some 360 numbers on there buddy. The Wii is gonna be a run-away hit untill people get tired of it. When will that be? No-one knows. Question is, where is the 360 on those lists?
I must agree with Kwaad, xbox360 is no super hit in europe. Mayby the lead will hold the entire year but I do not know actuly.



 

 

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